Microsoft President Brad Smith Acknowledges They Were Previously Wrong On Open-Source

[Terrablit]

what are you talking about it's 2020 and still some Wine programs don't run because of Net Framework 4.5 ... it´s clearly a lock-in. Deprecating Net Framework 4.5 or older is still not enough there's literally millions of apps using Net Framework 4.5, what will be your options when Net Framework 4.5 gets removed from Windows OS? Use an unsupported OS?
(and also there is devs using NetFramework 4.5 on 2020.)
Besides every major technology? what do you mean? UWP? (another lock-in)

You should really do your homework before talking. Most .NET Framework programs that don't run on Wine don't run because of WPF. It's been this way since the mono days, which doesn't do WPF and only has some WCF stubs. WPF apps not running on Wine is because Wine is missing a lot of platform calls that WPF makes during the rendering. I've been following the compatibility of several major products on Wine for a decade now since VS switched to WPF in 2010, and most of them run into the same issues. The new WPF on .NET Core won't fix this, but it might make it easier for Wine developers to track down missing or incomplete libraries and fix them. Most of the related bugs in Wine have a deep dive on the issue waiting by Anastasius Focht ("Hello folks") explaining the root cause of the failure. One example is this: https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36461. Wine emulates core windows functionality. It's a big target, so it's to be expected that less common stuff is still missing. Games tend to get more attention, anyway.

There'll still be issues with (overly) complex applications like Visual Studio that do a lot of native interop, or things with C++/CLI. Once again that's because of an incomplete Wine implementation of Windows libraries and functions. But vanilla .NET console and WinForms apps tend to work fine through wine.

The good news is .NET Core makes cross platform much better. But that won't fix programs compiled for .NET Framework. On the other hand, for most simple apps rebuilding it isn't hard, and if it's not obfuscated, an enterprising user can go about rebuilding it themselves since it's all in IL.

As far as UWP, that's not based on .NET. It's an evolution of WinRT stuff, and is callable from .NET and C++. It's just another win32 framework with .NET headers.

[computerquip]

Is Windows or Microsoft Office Free software yet? No? Guess this guff is so much hot air from the rear then. So much for the importance of "open source". I'm sure they enjoy making money from Gnu+linux on their stupid online virtual machine and virtual container service.

So, while I don't advocate for Microsoft generally, making non-open software open just like that is a legal nightmare. There is so much bullshit put into proprietary licensing that it's often not even feasible or worth it, even if it is the right thing to do.

For stuff that is already closed-source, you should really just assume that it's screwed and can never be open-sourced again.

[increasechief]

It's hard to underestimate the privacy risk that using any MS technology (including even open sourced IP) will have on your desktop and online experience.

[insilications]

I would start believing Microsoft if they open sourced DirectX or Office

[JustinTurdeau]

Believe it or not, Microsoft has changed (to what degree is debatable but its not trivial).

They've changed because they were forced to change. Their modus operandi hasn't changed one bit though. They still behave like '90s Microsoft whenever they get the chance. Everything they're doing now aligns perfectly with their previous attitude towards open source. It's just taken a decade or so for what they were predicting to actually happen.

"MiCrOsOft HaVe cHanGEd!!1" is literally what all their PR bots say. You have to be exceptionally dumb and/or uniformed to seriously believe that.

[Citan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrac...and_extinguish

Never trust Microsoft.

Nothing more to say.

[insilications]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrac...and_extinguish

Never trust Microsoft.

Bill Gates and company wants the world to forget the past and how they were truly evil. It is a gigantic PR campaign.

[AdamOne]

Saying "GivE MiCrOsoFT aNoTheR cHaNCe GuYS -- THeY'vE ChaNGeD!!1" is actually the emotional response. Not trusting them after 2 decades of being led by absolute psychopaths is just the sane thing to do.

If you used your brain you would understand that this has nothing to do with trust. It has to do with publicly redacting their, or Balmers idiotic perspective in the 90's or whenever it was.
My critique was that MS literally says "we where wrong" and the computer nerds go "BWAAAAA!!!" At least see it for what it is; them admitting fault. Its nothing more or less then that. Its just an admission. No need to cry about it like the initial comments did, lol.

[JustinTurdeau]

If you used your brain you would understand that this has nothing to do with trust. It has to do with publicly redacting their, or Balmers idiotic perspective in the 90's or whenever it was.
My critique was that MS literally says "we where wrong" and the computer nerds go "BWAAAAA!!!" At least see it for what it is; them admitting fault. Its nothing more or less then that. Its just an admission. No need to cry about it like the initial comments did, lol.

Yawn. You're arriving to this thread a bit late to do PR damage control aren't you?

[mystiquewolf]

When they see something is going to thrive and/or thriving already...