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  • #41
    Originally posted by Ironmask View Post


    ... Sometimes I feel like half the users here are markov chains
    still, alexa has more IQ than you do. go figure

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    • #42
      Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post
      There is more than one form of capitalism.
      Neither of the cited cases are "forms of capitalism".

      Capitalism is just a economic system and DOES NOT, IN ANY WAY, IMPLY OR REQUIRE that people have to be dishonest or try to screw over each other.

      People being what they are, will always try to be dishonest and screw each other, so you get various attempts and other people implementing countermeasures.

      As I said very recently in another thread where the very same person I was responding to also ackowledged that socialist and communist systems have similar issues https://www.phoronix.com/forums/foru...21#post1162521

      The issue is humans, remove humans to have a better society

      This can be taken as a millenial dark joke about death or actually put in practice by physically "removing" population somehow (smaller communities can govern themselves more fairly), giving power to an AI or something (so you remove the "human factor" in politics), and so on.

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      • #43
        Originally posted by flux242 View Post
        geez, what an idiot! Contrary to popular opinion cola,mc'donalds and comic books won't make you free or smart, it'll fokk you up to be stupid like that one above
        I live in the socialist hellhole called EU, lol

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        • #44
          Originally posted by aaahaaap View Post
          Seems like whoever set this up doesn't really know what they are doing, from a quick look at the issues simple things like making all traffic doesn't go via the outside (which means egress costs) isn't even done https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/freed...top/issues/206

          And it would be useful to see a cost breakdown, it's very unclear what exactly is causing these high costs.
          This seems like a high priority issue from a financial perspective.

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          • #45
            Originally posted by flux242 View Post

            still, alexa has more IQ than you do. go figure
            What?

            Are you okay?

            Did I say something wrong?

            And why did this thread turn into a debate on capitalism?

            I feel like I'm browsing reddit.

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            • #46
              Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
              Neither of the cited cases are "forms of capitalism".

              Capitalism is just a economic system and DOES NOT, IN ANY WAY, IMPLY OR REQUIRE that people have to be dishonest or try to screw over each other.

              People being what they are, will always try to be dishonest and screw each other, so you get various attempts and other people implementing countermeasures.

              As I said very recently in another thread where the very same person I was responding to also ackowledged that socialist and communist systems have similar issues https://www.phoronix.com/forums/foru...21#post1162521

              The issue is humans, remove humans to have a better society

              This can be taken as a millenial dark joke about death or actually put in practice by physically "removing" population somehow (smaller communities can govern themselves more fairly), giving power to an AI or something (so you remove the "human factor" in politics), and so on.
              They're taught that way and are used as reasons why socioeconomic laws have been passed.

              Monopolistic Capitalism and the laws to combat that is why AT&T had to go through so much stuff when buying HBO/Time Warner. Laws had already been passed that made it illegal. One of the reasons is because when the Company Newspaper is the only form of News, the News is biased...google Sinclair Broadcast Group for a modern example of that...the cliffnotes is a majority of the "local news" in America comes out of one corporate building because they own so many local news stations...

              Shareholder Capitalism....just look at any graphic showing money and finances. When it gets to the late 70s/early 80s stuff drastically changes. The drastic changes came from deregulation, lowered taxes, and the mindset shift from caring about long-term gains to short-term gains and is why they keep dropping healthcare, keep dropping benefits, and more -- because those effect short-term gains negatively. It's also why there is such a rise in contract jobs and the gig economy in general -- If Walmart could get away with calling its Stockers "Independent Contractors" and not have to provide them with any fringe benefits you know damn well they would. The gig economy is Shareholder Capitalism gone rampant due to deregulations by allowing full-time gigs to not be called jobs.

              Removing humans isn't a very good idea either. I've seen the AI idea. It'd didn't work out too well for them in Neon Genesis Evangelion.

              How is that smaller societies working out? North Korea is horrible. If I go to the Philippines and smoke a joint they'll imprison me for life....smaller societies leads to isolation which leads to totalitarianism...just saying that the "peaceful, happy" smaller societies are massively dwarfed by the "oh fuck me running, bat-shit crazy" smaller societies.

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              • #47
                Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post
                They're taught that way and are used as reasons why socioeconomic laws have been passed.
                Whoever taught that is wrong. Is it the same people that teach women to be "strong and independnent" and to regard all men as "bad"?

                Capitalism is an economic system, human social issues are unrelated. You have the same issues even in a theoretical "perfect communism" utopia, which is a completely different economic system.

                You don't fix an economic system with social laws, you don't fix social issues with an economic system.

                That's why all the bs they keep coming up with keeps failing.

                It's an unrelated issue and must be solved in its own way. The day they will stop hot-gluing fake mustaches to Capitalism and giving it yet another bullshit name it's the day we will see something change.

                But they usually don't want to. These types of idiots are part of the problem just as stereotypical evil capitalist white men are.

                Removing humans isn't a very good idea either. I've seen the AI idea. It'd didn't work out too well for them in Neon Genesis Evangelion.
                Fiction writers have vested interest in creating dysfunctional societies as if everything is more or less OK there isn't much to write in a book.

                But this is the future anyway, good or bad.

                How is that smaller societies working out?
                By smaller I mean "all people know each other at least supeficially". More like a village, a tribe. 50, 100 people maximum. North Korea and Philippines are still fucking huge.

                smaller societies leads to isolation which leads to totalitarianism
                Yeah that's why Switzerland and Austria are hell holes, China and USA are very open and totally not totalitarian nations.

                Factors that determine the outcome are much more complex than that, and sometimes unrelated.
                Last edited by starshipeleven; 28 February 2020, 12:27 PM.

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by aaahaaap View Post
                  Seems like whoever set this up doesn't really know what they are doing, from a quick look at the issues simple things like making all traffic doesn't go via the outside (which means egress costs) isn't even done https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/freed...top/issues/206

                  And it would be useful to see a cost breakdown, it's very unclear what exactly is causing these high costs.
                  Ah that's a shame, looks like they have nobody with GCE devops experience to help them out. I would if my skills weren't so narrow (AWS) as I only switched to devops from software engineering recently.

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by kpedersen View Post
                    A solution could be for Xorg to separate from the extra weight like FreeDesktop / Wayland. That will grealy reduce maintenance burden. Then Xorg can live on just like before.

                    Let those cool kids fend for themselves.
                    They're the same people.

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
                      I live in the socialist hellhole called EU, lol
                      It must be horrible for people not having to worry about a hospital visit bankrupting them. Or having a month's paid holiday every year. Maternity and paternity leave. Sick pay. Getting shot by a random cop.

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