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Originally posted by skeevy420 View PostThere is more than one form of capitalism.
Capitalism is just a economic system and DOES NOT, IN ANY WAY, IMPLY OR REQUIRE that people have to be dishonest or try to screw over each other.
People being what they are, will always try to be dishonest and screw each other, so you get various attempts and other people implementing countermeasures.
As I said very recently in another thread where the very same person I was responding to also ackowledged that socialist and communist systems have similar issues https://www.phoronix.com/forums/foru...21#post1162521
The issue is humans, remove humans to have a better society
This can be taken as a millenial dark joke about death or actually put in practice by physically "removing" population somehow (smaller communities can govern themselves more fairly), giving power to an AI or something (so you remove the "human factor" in politics), and so on.
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Originally posted by aaahaaap View PostSeems like whoever set this up doesn't really know what they are doing, from a quick look at the issues simple things like making all traffic doesn't go via the outside (which means egress costs) isn't even done https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/freed...top/issues/206
And it would be useful to see a cost breakdown, it's very unclear what exactly is causing these high costs.
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Originally posted by starshipeleven View PostNeither of the cited cases are "forms of capitalism".
Capitalism is just a economic system and DOES NOT, IN ANY WAY, IMPLY OR REQUIRE that people have to be dishonest or try to screw over each other.
People being what they are, will always try to be dishonest and screw each other, so you get various attempts and other people implementing countermeasures.
As I said very recently in another thread where the very same person I was responding to also ackowledged that socialist and communist systems have similar issues https://www.phoronix.com/forums/foru...21#post1162521
The issue is humans, remove humans to have a better society
This can be taken as a millenial dark joke about death or actually put in practice by physically "removing" population somehow (smaller communities can govern themselves more fairly), giving power to an AI or something (so you remove the "human factor" in politics), and so on.
Monopolistic Capitalism and the laws to combat that is why AT&T had to go through so much stuff when buying HBO/Time Warner. Laws had already been passed that made it illegal. One of the reasons is because when the Company Newspaper is the only form of News, the News is biased...google Sinclair Broadcast Group for a modern example of that...the cliffnotes is a majority of the "local news" in America comes out of one corporate building because they own so many local news stations...
Shareholder Capitalism....just look at any graphic showing money and finances. When it gets to the late 70s/early 80s stuff drastically changes. The drastic changes came from deregulation, lowered taxes, and the mindset shift from caring about long-term gains to short-term gains and is why they keep dropping healthcare, keep dropping benefits, and more -- because those effect short-term gains negatively. It's also why there is such a rise in contract jobs and the gig economy in general -- If Walmart could get away with calling its Stockers "Independent Contractors" and not have to provide them with any fringe benefits you know damn well they would. The gig economy is Shareholder Capitalism gone rampant due to deregulations by allowing full-time gigs to not be called jobs.
Removing humans isn't a very good idea either. I've seen the AI idea. It'd didn't work out too well for them in Neon Genesis Evangelion.
How is that smaller societies working out? North Korea is horrible. If I go to the Philippines and smoke a joint they'll imprison me for life....smaller societies leads to isolation which leads to totalitarianism...just saying that the "peaceful, happy" smaller societies are massively dwarfed by the "oh fuck me running, bat-shit crazy" smaller societies.
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Originally posted by skeevy420 View PostThey're taught that way and are used as reasons why socioeconomic laws have been passed.
Capitalism is an economic system, human social issues are unrelated. You have the same issues even in a theoretical "perfect communism" utopia, which is a completely different economic system.
You don't fix an economic system with social laws, you don't fix social issues with an economic system.
That's why all the bs they keep coming up with keeps failing.
It's an unrelated issue and must be solved in its own way. The day they will stop hot-gluing fake mustaches to Capitalism and giving it yet another bullshit name it's the day we will see something change.
But they usually don't want to. These types of idiots are part of the problem just as stereotypical evil capitalist white men are.
Removing humans isn't a very good idea either. I've seen the AI idea. It'd didn't work out too well for them in Neon Genesis Evangelion.
But this is the future anyway, good or bad.
How is that smaller societies working out?
smaller societies leads to isolation which leads to totalitarianism
Factors that determine the outcome are much more complex than that, and sometimes unrelated.Last edited by starshipeleven; 28 February 2020, 12:27 PM.
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Originally posted by aaahaaap View PostSeems like whoever set this up doesn't really know what they are doing, from a quick look at the issues simple things like making all traffic doesn't go via the outside (which means egress costs) isn't even done https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/freed...top/issues/206
And it would be useful to see a cost breakdown, it's very unclear what exactly is causing these high costs.
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Originally posted by starshipeleven View PostI live in the socialist hellhole called EU, lol
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