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  • #21
    >Ludovic Courtès, Andy Wingo, Carlos O’Donell, Andreas Enge and Mark Wielaard
    I am frustrated that the people who are asking for more transparency are also the people who slandered RMS
    https://web.archive.org/web/20191007...e-gnu-project/
    Can I trust people who did harm to someone just because they didn't like him ? Reminder that some of these people went so far that RMS didn't have a place to sleep for a few days, since he literally slept in MIT labs.
    Some of these people also work with the "software Freedom conservancy" and that entity also participated in the slander https://sfconservancy.org/news/2019/...-speak-for-us/

    Originally posted by uid313 View Post
    I feel these political shenanigans are just going to end up hurting both the GNU Project and the FSF.
    Agreed. It hurts a lot of things and mostly it hurts the solidarity of the community. The newest generation of hackers have, from my perspective, have been, to use the terminology of Yuri bezmenov "subversed".

    Originally posted by uid313 View Post
    Richard Stallman might be a difficult character, and might not be the best spokesperson and might not be the best pick for someone responsible for public relations, but I think he is being witch hunted.
    I again agree and to support your opinion I'll share these URLs:
    https://sterling-archermedes.github.io/
    https://medium.com/@whoisylvia/richa...m-a3907b25b4c7
    https://jorgemorais.gitlab.io/justice-for-rms/
    https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/l.../msg00259.html
    https://blog.frantovo.cz/c/377/
    https://fsforce.noblogs.org/
    https://trisquel.info/en/forum/free-...alling-support
    https://www.muylinux.com/2019/09/27/...oftware-force/
    https://gnu.support/richard-stallman...n-GNU-org.html
    https://geoff.greer.fm/2019/09/30/in...hard-stallman/
    https://neritam.wordpress.com/2019/1...s-resignation/
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGF17TbbBcE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UbQ1kc1vQU
    https://watchkin.com/y/7UbQ1kc1vQU
    https://medium.com/@gbatmarx/dear-se...--------------
    https://maslinux.es/batalla-en-la-fs...de-bitacora-i/
    http://techrights.org/2019/10/18/gnu-is-rms/
    https://medium.com/@tossing.bark/rem...h-fd4b1446b0a1

    I think RMS is a great role model when you look as his tenacity on the subject of software freedom, he doesn't compromise while being courteous about it and he right to not do so (even tho there are some errors with time).
    Other than his work about software freedom I often disagree with his opinion. But what happened to him is more than unjust.

    Originally posted by uid313 View Post
    It is not like suddenly FSF is going apeshit. FSF have existed for 34 years, and its not like anything changed lately.
    The FSf isn't going apeshit from my point of view, but I observe that it is surrounded by people with very violent behaviors to whoever disagrees with them on almost any subject.
    Again good example of that are some of the people in GUIX who asked to oust RMS from GNU.
    https://web.archive.org/web/20191007...e-gnu-project/
    Some of them calls themselves maintainers while they have abandoned their project, like the maintainer of GNUsocial for example. That same person fled to twitter and began to search for people to harass RMS.

    This is reminding me of what happened to Ted Ts'o when he was randomly slandered of being a rape apologist by Sarah Sharp after he refused the new code of conduct at the linux foundation at that time. But wait there's more Ted Ts'o is also the person who refused Inte'ls RDRAND instruction for Linux's RNG and it was later discovered that the NSA made intell add backdoors in these setup to foil encryption and security. And get what ? One of the people who signed the coc works at intel.
    See:
    https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/8a104f8b5867
    https://twitter.com/_sagesharp_/stat...69399596437504
    https://www.rt.com/usa/snowden-leak-rng-randomness-019/
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6336505

    ESR warned us more than once about these sort of schemes.
    http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6918
    http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=2122
    http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6907

    And we can also go on about the new totalitarian pseudo licenses that these group of violent people are trying to push like :
    https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license....html#Anti-996
    https://vaccinelicense.com/vaccine-license/
    https://firstdonoharm.dev/
    And besides of not being legally enforceable at all they do not respect the four freedoms.
    See: https://www.fsf.org/bulletin/2019/fa...-four-freedoms


    Originally posted by Britoid View Post
    It's been obvious for a long time that Richard Stallman is no longer the person that should lead the free software movement
    When was the last time RMS lead anything ? For the past 20 years he has done but to spread what is software freedom around the world, he contributed like that.
    He didn't made code. He had no power on how one should code a free software project. He his/was considered as a sort of guardian to what makes free/libre software respectful of one's freedoms.

    Originally posted by Britoid View Post
    Unfortunately media needs those clicks and people need to try and get some kind of kick out of twisting what he did say and making outrage over it.
    That is I believe incorrect. They don't need these clicks. They just want money without efforts. If they did their jobs correctly a lot of negative events that have ruined the life of people, like this event, would never have happened.

    Originally posted by PreparationH67 View Post
    A person who can't even be trusted to maintain basic standards of hygiene should not be a PR person for a movement or product unless that movement is centered on being an unwashed health and safety concern and proud of it.
    1:If you want to spread rumors go on [insert social media].
    2:Your argument is fallacious.

    Originally posted by Britoid View Post
    I feel like if you have something like this on your door https://miro.medium.com/max/4896/1*l...EafxuJsLg.jpeg
    You're not mature enough to lead something so serious.
    Since when no fun is allowed ? This means nothing without context and to understand the context you need to know RMS personally, or have read is personal blog for the past two decades.
    This is exactly the same argument as "you're not professional enough".
    https://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=137392506516022&w=2

    Could you please try to find no nonsensical arguments for your dislike of RMS ?
    Be sincere, if you don't like him because he has white skin color say it, if you don't like him because he's male say it, if you don't like him because he has ASD say it, if you dislike him because his father was Jewish then say it. But please bring arguments that can be understood, that are relevant, not only it's a waist of time, but it also encourage paranoia in less experienced people.

    Originally posted by techzilla View Post
    I certainly do not support the idea that Richard should not run his own organization, especially now that he is no longer running the FSF.
    Again RMS besides having a veto on a few things didn't do much, besides spreading the word.
    I think it is unjust that he was ousted and that it should be corrected.[/QUOTE]

    Originally posted by techzilla View Post
    I'm no longer willing to accept the totalitarian activists, who produce nearly nothing of value, but undermine everything they touch. It's easy to pile on to the newest shrill hypocritical political attack, it's a lot harder to actually create something from nothing
    Same here. I have enough of having my "balls crushed" to quote again Yuri Bezmenov.

    Originally posted by techzilla View Post
    and nobody needs Richard to lose his own organization to demonstrate that we should join a new one.
    I have studied the problem and in our actual socio/political/economical/journalistic context it is almost impossible without a lot of funds from the start.
    The FSF/GNU took over 30 years to build itself with the help of a lot of good, experienced and more or less wise people from that time. Nowadays trying to find someone who are as dedicated to their principals with enough courtesy is also very hard.
    I'll still support the FSF because my discussions with RMS convinced me. But I won't lie that I am going to be careful on how it evolves.

    Originally posted by techzilla View Post
    If they want to run an organization that is actually concerned with our problems, instead of ideological nonsense, than I'd be more than willing to donate time and money. Unfortunately I don't see anyone with a strong enough character, or even just free of personality disorders, that is trying to lead us to our destination.
    I agree.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by techzilla View Post
      Frankly, I'm done with the free software movement for the foreseeable future, as I've re-evaluated our present level of freedom and believe the social cost has exceed any expected benefit. As a whole we are all choked out by our own devices, and the free software movement is incapable of building us a way forward, which is why I've reluctantly moved back towards MS. If/When we get into another late 90's style situation, I promise I'll be back, but as of now you'd have to be downright masochistic to remain.

      I certainly do not support the idea that Richard should not run his own organization, especially now that he is no longer running the FSF. I'm no longer willing to accept the totalitarian activists, who produce nearly nothing of value, but undermine everything they touch. It's easy to pile on to the newest shrill hypocritical political attack, it's a lot harder to actually create something from nothing, and nobody needs Richard to lose his own organization to demonstrate that we should join a new one.

      If they want to run an organization that is actually concerned with our problems, instead of ideological nonsense, than I'd be more than willing to donate time and money. Unfortunately I don't see anyone with a strong enough character, or even just free of personality disorders, that is trying to lead us to our destination.
      That is unfortunate to hear, but I can't blame you.

      I think these new generations have all the rights to shape the world in a way they want. They are shaping the world to be a better place for them. We did the same for us. It is now their turn to change the world.

      I would not be able to move on Windows. I have tried it about 10 years and 15 years ago, but it was not possible because Linux systems were superior, and I just could not stand inferior systems. Today I can't even consider moving to such inferior system as Windows is.

      I wish good luck to all participants in the game and hope they regain their senses in their doings.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by techzilla View Post
        ...
        It's the weirdest thing. I put your entire post into Orca (my preferred GPL text-to-speech program), but it kept repeating the word "Soy" over and over again. They looked like words/sentences on the screen, so maybe I just triggered a bug in Orca? Any help is appreciated.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by moilami View Post

          That is unfortunate to hear, but I can't blame you.

          I think these new generations have all the rights to shape the world in a way they want. They are shaping the world to be a better place for them. We did the same for us. It is now their turn to change the world.

          I would not be able to move on Windows. I have tried it about 10 years and 15 years ago, but it was not possible because Linux systems were superior, and I just could not stand inferior systems. Today I can't even consider moving to such inferior system as Windows is.

          I wish good luck to all participants in the game and hope they regain their senses in their doings.
          I'm a millennial, and I don't believe they are making the world better, they are making the world worse. I also don't believe that shrill hypocrites, trying to choke out the enlightenment, are entitled to power. They create toxic environments that are destructive to humanity, while producing nearly nothing, that isn't a future it's a nightmare dystopia. Nobody gets the right to dis-empower others, take their rights away, and demand that their power be respected by anyone. A major backlash has only just begun, it's happening slowly but on a global scale, and it isn't stopping until the anti-humanist oppressive totalitarians are completely severed from all forms of power.

          I respect what Richard did, and unlike the activists today, he actually worked to create something. That doesn't mean I cosign everything he did, or what it became, but he doesn't deserve to have it taken from it by people who created nothing for anyone. Nobody who eliminates plurality is entitled to the public's respect, they didn't win through a superior process, product, or service, they just undermined the last people who did. That is why I know I'm no longer part of this community, the mere fact that I dissent is enough evidence, and they don't tolerate dissenters.

          Windows just got a console PTY now, there is only minimal changes remaining before it can replace Linux for me. MS seems to be trying to empower its users and customers, and that is a world I consider better. Instead of whatever you'd call this one, that you helped to build, because this one regressed back to the medieval ages.
          Last edited by techzilla; 08 March 2020, 04:00 AM.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by techzilla View Post

            I'm a millennial, and I don't believe they are making the world better, they are making the world worse. I also don't believe that shrill hypocrites, trying to choke out the enlightenment, are entitled to power. They create toxic environments that are destructive to humanity, while producing nearly nothing, that isn't a future it's a nightmare dystopia. Nobody gets the right to dis-empower others, take their rights away, and demand that their power be respected by anyone. A major backlash has only just begun, it's happening slowly but on a global scale, and it isn't stopping until the anti-humanist oppressive totalitarians are completely severed from all forms of power.

            I respect what Richard did, and unlike the activists today, he actually worked to create something. That doesn't mean I cosign everything he did, or what it became, but he doesn't deserve to have it taken from it by people who created nothing for anyone. Nobody who eliminates plurality is entitled to the public's respect, they didn't win through a superior process, product, or service, they just undermined the last people who did. That is why I know I'm no longer part of this community, the mere fact that I dissent is enough evidence, and they don't tolerate dissenters.

            Windows just got a console PTY now, there is only minimal changes remaining before it can replace Linux for me. MS seems to be trying to empower its users and customers, and that is a world I consider better. Instead of whatever you'd call this one, that you helped to build, because this one regressed back to the medieval ages.
            Yeah, the world has always been fucked up, and it still is fucked up, and will be fucked up. That is how world is.

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