Ten Years Past GNOME's 10x10 Goal, The Linux Desktop Is Still Far From Having A 10% Marketshare

[240Hz]

Fun facts. The XFCE founder and MATE co-founder now works on GNOME Redhat’s X11 team has also moved on to Wayland and mutter All distributions that matters prioritize or default to GNOME
It shouldn’t be that hard to decipher The Writing On The Wall.

KDE manages to achieve far, far more with only a fraction of the developers and financial backing. Don't you feel a little bit embarrassed? Imagine if KDE had all of Gn*mes resources...

[Candy]

Fun facts. The XFCE founder and MATE co-founder now works on GNOME

Maybe he is playing the role of an janitor. Wiping up the mess, that GNOME left behind.

[tildearrow]

crappy desktop experiences (KDE 4+).

Really? It's been years, and people still hate KDE due to the KDE Plasma 4 early performance issues?

Seriously, come on. The final versions of Plasma 4 and Plasma 5 are so much smoother and better. It has improved noticeably. Can you guys ever forgive?

[finalzone]

The idea of considering GNOME as THE (GNU/)Linux desktop is just way too arrogant, and it doesn't even account for how hated GNOME is even among normies with entry level developer jobs. Their desktop is bloated, is forced upon people, and they ignore what makes POSIX-compliant systems and X11 amazing, which is the ability to mix and match parts to get the best possible experience.

Switch to another distribution allowing your preference and quit imposing your will to the major distributions maintainers who adopted GNOME as their main desktop environment you intend to not use if anyway let alone contribute. POSIX is irrelevant in this topic (FreeBSD were able to get Gnome Shell) and X11: go ahead and try to maintain it while X11 developers shift their focus to Wayland protocol.

[240Hz]

tildearrow People don’t forgive. People just forget. And that’s how it is today. No more desktop wars.

Because all distributions that matter picked GNOME. SUSE, Redhat, Fedora, Centos, Clear, Debian, PureOS, Pop!, endless and of course Ubuntu.

SUSE uses KDE and the rest are either debian clones or redhat clones. Distros that matter, endless pop and pureos? what are you smoking?

[240Hz]

240Hz SUSE is GNOME only.

Listen troll. SUSE uses kde, and you mentioned several irrelvant Ubuntu forks but completely ignore OpenSUSE Leap and Tumbleweed, for example.

[tildearrow]

240Hz ... in your opinion. KDE will never get such resources.

Ooo, the Hz wars just began :O

[tildearrow]

144Hz SUSE is not GNOME-only. You are the one being GNOME-only.

...well, the Enterprise version is GNOME by default.

[Vasant1234]

It is high time that GNU/Linux desktop developers realize that the average user doesn't give a hoot about their desktop and that Windows won long time ago. After 15 years of desktop releases GNU/Linux usage is still at < 5% and not likely to grow.

However there is still a small chance they could succeed. But for that to happen they will have to collectively agree on one toolkit, one init system, one packaging format. Of course, I am just dreaming -.

[oiaohm]

It is high time that GNU/Linux desktop developers realize that the average user doesn't give a hoot about their desktop and that Windows won long time ago. After 15 years of desktop releases GNU/Linux usage is still at < 5% and not likely to grow.

Linux has been growing on the desktop slowly. Just really slowly. Please remember China now going to have government departments operate without windows so Linux desktop is going to grow in China. Lot of Linux growth on the desktop is caused by USA trade embargo crap. It also means we do need to improve the security of the Linux desktop a lot.

However there is still a small chance they could succeed. But for that to happen they will have to collectively agree on one toolkit, one init system, one packaging format. Of course, I am just dreaming -.

Really a lot of this you need to check against Windows. Does windows ship with 1 graphical toolkit no it in fact ships with 20 different ones let alone the different toolkits applications ship with. So agreeing on 1 toolkit not required. When you install windows applications are you using 1 packaging format the answer is again no you are in fact using many. Think how many programs under windows have custom installers and uninstallers. So one package format again not required.

So the only thing that is correct for your statement is 1 init/service management. That maybe a maybe. If we could work out a proper common way for a third party to declare self to any init/service management system this would be good enough.

The required feature is that you can install third party applications and they work. Flatpak, Steam(valve) and Snap are getting fairly good at this. It really does not matter how many parties do this as long as they work on any distribution. When you think about it this is the true worse hindrance to the Linux desktop. Historically its been hit a application your distribution does not have build from source or use some third party repository that could screw up you system.