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  • #21
    While I've been using Debian 10 for a while (with systemd), I would welcome the ability to choose which init system to use. I have seen OpenRC work pretty well with Linux and a couple of BSDs. I personally don't like systemd, but I wanted a quick-and-easy Linux setup for development purposes and begrudgingly installed Debian because it just works -- mostly.

    While Debian doesn't do bleeding-edge with their stable release, Debian Testing is pretty close. Debian 10's package suite is recent enough for my case. The comment earlier in this thread about "20 year old packages" is inaccurate. Yeah, Debian can get crusty, but not that crusty!

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    • #22
      I bet the UK will solve the Brexit fiasco faster than Debian with their General Resolution for an Init System

      Mars will also be colonialized faster than Debian getting anything done in that Init System debatte ...

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      • #23
        At the risk of feeding the trolls, I'd say that numbers speak for themselves. A comparison of the user bases of Debian and Devuan, both in terms of their absolute sizes and their growth, tells us everything one needs to know about how much people (don't) care about "init diversity". Debian maintainers should do whatever is easiest for them, which is presumably to mandate systemd, and whoever is not happy is welcome to fork it.

        PS: it's not just Debian either. Arch is another popular and widely used distro; Artix (that's Arch's Devuan)... yes, apparently some people know it exists.

        In other words the systemd ship has sailed years ago and I say get on with it. The community, Debian included, has more pressing matters to deal with.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by L_A_G View Post
          systemD
          Originally posted by Candy View Post
          SystemD
          Would you please write it systemd. It's not systemD or SystemD but systemd. Thank you!

          Source: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Sof...temd/#spelling

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          • #25
            Originally posted by jacob View Post
            Debian maintainers should do whatever is easiest for them, which is presumably to mandate systemd [...]
            As a reminder:

            Last time they did so, they ended up losing half of their key operating members.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by Candy View Post
              As a reminder:

              Last time they did so, they ended up losing half of their key operating members.
              you are reminding your hallucinations, they never did it before

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              • #27
                Originally posted by bison View Post

                Not to mention MX Linux, the number one distro on distrowatch.
                Worth noting Distrowatch numbers are so heavily botted that they're worth nothing.

                Unfortunately it's now near impossible to have proper conversations about systemd and criticize it's design because some people constantly repeat certain debunked myths and lies.

                So congratulations those people, your constant lying and crap about systemd has made replacing systemd near impossible.

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                • #28
                  A simple resolution renaming Debian to "Fedora Junior" would be more efficient. Point the repos to junior.IBM.com/fedora, swap out debs for RPMs and Flatpaks, and be done with it. Everyone gets a nice, long vacation - no more of that tedious supporting of multiple init systems or multiple architectures.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by Candy View Post
                    I bet the UK will solve the Brexit fiasco faster than Debian with their General Resolution for an Init System
                    If it follows the same trajectory as Brexit, then Debian will have to call new elections.

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                    • #30
                      I write it as "SystemD" on purpose these days, just because it annoys the prigs that go around admonishing people for it.

                      It's quite natural to tend to capitalize abbreviations like "D" and the only "imbeciles" here are the cud chewing cheerleaders that don't know much else beyond installing their distribution's packages, that think they have an opinion.

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