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  • #61
    Originally posted by RussianNeuroMancer View Post

    Right. Just please don't say "There's 0 need to get it signed by Microsoft." if there is millions of devices that enforce Secure boot and require bootloader signed by Microsoft.
    There is 0 need to get your bootloader signed by Microsoft *for UEFI*.

    You can't take my comment out of the context of the entire conversation we'd been having up to that point lol. The discussion was not about the controversy of these devices, but rather the controversy of UEFI.

    Nothing in the UEFI spec suggests you use UEFI this way, and these devices using it in this way says nothing about the UEFI spec since literally any firmware spec can be used this way.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by stan View Post
      Why doesn’t Lennart contribute improvements to Grub?
      Oh wow, grub capable running systemd! Doesn't sounds weird: boot loader that grown to almost OS would meet system manager that is also almost grown to OS.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Sniperfox47 View Post
        Nothing in the UEFI spec suggests you use UEFI this way, and these devices using it in this way says nothing about the UEFI spec since literally any firmware spec can be used this way.
        Still, that spec has been designed by wintel clique to fit their bill. It gone as badly as using M$ executable formats to make M$ little favor. Oh, should I tell "MZ EXE" dos stub in uefi things looks so funny, granted DOS can't even boot UEFI ways? And even ARM or RISCV supposed to enjoy that MS's DOS legacy if I got idea right. Despite they were never even able to boot DOS in first place, MSDOS never ran on these.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by SystemCrasher View Post
          Oh wow, grub capable running systemd! Doesn't sounds weird: boot loader that grown to almost OS would meet system manager that is also almost grown to OS.
          No, not really if you think about it.

          GRUB is so bloated and supports a bunch of stuff because of how old it is. As file systems and OSs gain features, so did the bootloader because that's how it traditionally worked since they (bootloaders) weren't working off of what the kernel supported like sd-boot does now.

          Systemd supports a bunch of stuff because an init system, ideally, should be smart enough to understand WTF it's trying to initialize because the alternative is writing scripts and hoping you don't f*ck up and start stuff in the wrong order.

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