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Debian May Need To Re-Evaluate Its Interest In "Init System Diversity"
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Originally posted by L_A_G View PostSeems like the functionally monolithic internal mess of constantly changing APIs is doing exactly what you'd expect to projects that try to pull in some parts of SystemD while re-implementing others in a less backwards way. The fact that the morons behind it are awful at communication obviously doesn't help.
If init.d scripts were so cooler you would have the opposite, as systemd can run init scripts fine.
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Originally posted by starshipeleven View PostBullshit
source and binary packages, ZFS on root native, in the installer and highly integrated into the system, Boot environments, PF, Jails, you can switch the SSL version to libressl or change build options like Gentoo but you can do it for a few packages only so you're not rebuilding the whole dammed thing every update. clone the root to do something weird.. oh that bad, reboot and make it go away. It's boot loader is simple too, unlike grub. It's firewall is in a clean enough language you can write it with Vi in a few minutes but can also do cool things like dynamic tables.. so.. integrated adblocking by adding a <noads> table to PF.
You know what I did recently is I put my browser in a FreeBSD jail then null mounted all my directories except sensitive ones back into the jail.. So I end up with a browser that can't go after my config files or ssh keys.
It's fun finding new cool ways to put some of it's components together.
You can do a lot of that stuff on various Linux distros.. but I haven't found one that can do all of it and do it easily without a lot of hacking.Last edited by k1e0x; 19 September 2019, 08:52 AM.
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A major problem with systemd alternatives is that they have not moved with the times. They should have developed a shim to read systemd style service files. That way most startup scripts would no longer be necessary and the syntax for services could become standardised.
No one has done this.
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Originally posted by k1e0x View PostTruth is hard.
source and binary packages,
ZFS on root native, in the installer and highly integrated into the system, Boot environments,
PF,
Jails,
you can switch the SSL version to libressl
or change build options like Gentoo but you can do it for a few packages only so you're not rebuilding the whole dammed thing every update
I would like to rebuild/recompile all Debian packages of a machine with specific flags. How can I do that with less command as possible? I have found that https://debian-administration.org/articl...
Sometimes you might have access to an open source application source code but might not have the RPM file to install it on your system. In that situation, you can either compile the source code and install the application from source code, or build a RPM file from source code yourself, and use the RPM
clone the root to do something weird.. oh that bad, reboot and make it go away.
It's boot loader is simple too, unlike grub.
It's firewall is in a clean enough language you can write it with Vi in a few minutes
but can also do cool things like dynamic tables.. so.. integrated adblocking by adding a <noads> table to PF.
You know what I did recently is I put my browser in a FreeBSD jail
I haven't found one that can do all of it and do it easily without a lot of hacking.
Apart from boot environments, every other distro can do the same, using more or less the same tools.
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Originally posted by NotMine999 View PostIf Debian goes the route of being systemd only, then what is their distinguishing feature, compelling reason for users to choose it instead of some other Linux distro that also uses systemd, or, perish the thought, also uses Debian's own source?
Originally posted by NotMine999 View PostLong-term support release? Redhat and Ubuntu already do that.
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Originally posted by starshipeleven View Postthat's why you post bullshit
Every distro has that
OpenSUSE does that with btrfs. Yes also "boot environments".
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Chroot
Can do that on OpenSUSE, probably others too. OpenWrt has like 4 different SSL libraries you can choose.
Can do that on any distro using apt and rpm packages.
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/...-specific-flag
https://www.thegeekstuff.com/2015/02...ackage-example
OpenSUSE can do that if using btrfs for root, don't know about others.
While I agree that GRUB is bullshit, it's not a major problem.
ever used nftables on Linux? Not hard. (I mean not hard to use it, of course firewalling stuff can be complex but that's not a tool issue)
this is better than just dumping a blacklist in the host file? Because that's not really hard and works fine.
Chroot
I would say OpenSUSE can do all you asked without particular issues.
Apart from boot environments, every other distro can do the same, using more or less the same tools.Last edited by k1e0x; 19 September 2019, 09:28 AM.
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