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  • k1e0x
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    Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
    Bullshit, support for many Wifi ac chipsets that Linux supported for years is still missing in BSDs.

    Meh, different niches. People needing the average MacOS device (a laptop) won't be looking at using FreeBSD.

    That's beyond stretching it. These consoles are using a BSD-based firmware with significant changes.
    Actually it's pretty much using the vanilla kernel with a custom closed source graphics driver. They have upstreamd patches.

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  • dovla091
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    Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
    How can you be sure that a closed source program isn't leaking (intentionally or unintentionally through bugs) info to third parties? Opensource is much easier to audit and test.
    How can you or a third party you hire fix a problem in a closed source program if it is not "stable" for you (which is not uncommon)? Opensource can be fixed faster.

    Exceptions to that can be accepted to an extent, especially for applications, where it would be hard to monetize otherwise (let's ignore piracy for a moment), and it won't have a massive community so it won't benefit much from being opensource anyway.

    The only thing that truly needs to be opensource is the OS (kernel and base stuff), if the rest (drivers and applications) is compartmentalized and run with as little privilege as possible it's good enough for many even if closed source.
    Hi again. I am quite sure that there are lot of quite competent people who can spot that somethig is wrong, to give you an answer, I will ask you the same question: how come security companies detect malware on closed source OS called windows? And they are doing it for 3 decades now. Also, there is nothing that cannot be detected with only 1 simple program called wireshark. Don't you agree. As I said before, I grow up and I don't care anymore if something is open source or now as long as couple of things are satisfied:
    1. Program is stable
    2. Company does not leak my personal data
    3. Program/firmware/driver is safe
    4. I don't need to waste my time of finding a solution for something that should work out of the box.

    When I was younger, I was thrilled to do as much digging and investigating possible to provide a solution for let's say WiFi card, or fingerprint reader, etc. Now I don't have time for waste to do that, so even though I use CentOS for my servers and Fedora for my laptop, I fully support and have special feeling towards Ubuntu as they did a lot to include as much additional 3rd party support for hardware so their OS can work out of the box in comparison to other distributions...

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  • k1e0x
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    Originally posted by dovla091 View Post

    tell us again, how many new devices are BSD supporting? or perhaps how many programs are made for that distro...?
    It's ok not to know. It pretty much supports everything Linux does. I have used Nvidia and AMD cards I bought last year with Plasma 5 or Gnome 3 for my workstations. My Wifi works, my bluetooth devices work. Take a look at the distrowatch page. All modern software. https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=freebsd And you can look here on phoronix for the benchmarks to see it's very competitive or leading in performance vs Linux and Windows.

    40 year old kernel doesn't mean any code is 40 years old, tho their could be. lol. Does code get slower with age? Or is software a solvable problem and once it's correct the code works forever? Food for thought.
    Last edited by k1e0x; 09-10-2019, 01:11 PM.

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  • starshipeleven
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    Originally posted by kpedersen View Post
    When it comes to wifi NICs, I would suggest the BSDs are doing a little bit better.
    Bullshit, support for many Wifi ac chipsets that Linux supported for years is still missing in BSDs.

    Either way, FreeBSD supports many more devices than the well known consumer OS; macOS.
    Meh, different niches. People needing the average MacOS device (a laptop) won't be looking at using FreeBSD.

    Also if you factor in that PS3 and PS4
    That's beyond stretching it. These consoles are using a BSD-based firmware with significant changes.

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  • starshipeleven
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    Originally posted by dovla091 View Post
    Same thing with 3rd party software. If it works who care if it is an open source or not. If company won't be leaking your data to anyone, I don't care as long as it is stable and it works. That's a part when you grow up and start thinking about functionality instead of ideology...
    How can you be sure that a closed source program isn't leaking (intentionally or unintentionally through bugs) info to third parties? Opensource is much easier to audit and test.
    How can you or a third party you hire fix a problem in a closed source program if it is not "stable" for you (which is not uncommon)? Opensource can be fixed faster.

    Exceptions to that can be accepted to an extent, especially for applications, where it would be hard to monetize otherwise (let's ignore piracy for a moment), and it won't have a massive community so it won't benefit much from being opensource anyway.

    The only thing that truly needs to be opensource is the OS (kernel and base stuff), if the rest (drivers and applications) is compartmentalized and run with as little privilege as possible it's good enough for many even if closed source.

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  • kpedersen
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    Originally posted by dovla091 View Post

    tell us again, how many new devices are BSD supporting? or perhaps how many programs are made for that distro...?
    Pretty much as many as Linux when it comes to servers.
    When it comes to wifi NICs, I would suggest the BSDs are doing a little bit better.
    Either way, FreeBSD supports many more devices than the well known consumer OS; macOS.

    Also if you factor in that PS3 and PS4 use the FreeBSD kernel, you can probably imagine that lots of programs are made for it.

    (Btw, Distro is the wrong term because it is a unique kernel.)

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  • starshipeleven
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    Originally posted by angrypie View Post
    Dumbest post on Phoronix right now.
    There is so much worse... thankfully many of those are now inactive or shadowbanned.

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  • starshipeleven
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    Originally posted by dovla091 View Post
    You don't need to be a douche... Yes English is not my native language and yes I make mistake while writing a comment, but you got a point. I am confident that you are at least that smart...
    Uhm... no you did not make grammar mistakes, that's a correct word and I think you used correctly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethics

    I was actually commenting that "ethical" or "moral" programming is a weird concept for me.
    Last edited by starshipeleven; 09-10-2019, 12:18 PM.

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  • angrypie
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    Originally posted by dovla091 View Post

    Because of you "the opensource talibans", linux support is progressing slowly. "We need open source...." No we don't, we need a fully functional stable PC/Server with full hardware support, and more companies which would back linux community, so who cares if HP, Intel, Nvidia or whoever write those drivers which code is not released for public... If they are following ethics, I don't care, and I am quite sure that most of people does not either. If you need pure opensource, then move on to BSD, and be as limited as fck! That so called "I wanna see the code" shit is becoming boring. No one reads the code except developers who develop modules and other features. And I can guarantee that 99,9% of Phoronix users does not read each and every code (if any)... So please spare us that bull shit. Microsoft is slowly moving towards Linux and that is good, but until they release something for mass productivity such as Office suit, I am not that impressed.
    Dumbest post on Phoronix right now.

    Free vs. proprietary is about who controls the software. Like Adobe making it illegal to use any version of their suite not under their control (i.e. not connected to their servers so they can watch you). Only a fucking mongoloid would defend that for the sake of "usability."

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  • dovla091
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    Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
    We have that already and it's called Windows.

    Wtf is "ethics" anyway.

    Most people wanting opensource drivers want it because it allows maintenance to the drivers from third parties (like say all the work done by Collabora and other such paid third party paid development), so they don't break in less then a year when the Linux kernel changes.
    You don't need to be a douche... Yes English is not my native language and yes I make mistake while writing a comment, but you got a point. I am confident that you are at least that smart...

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