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  • Yes, I do not want to go back to Windows just because Canonical will break the Gamers Linuxers, what I think is that Ubuntu may not be distro to "desktop " because of this unless Canonical brings support to Steam, Wine32, Lutris, printer drivers and libraries 32bits for Nvidia drivers on your own

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    • Originally posted by zexelon View Post
      Wow... so I switch over to gaming on Linux because it finally didnt suck. In fact I just recently bought Borderlands 2 specifically for its Linux support. I am happy gaming on Linux with Pop_OS based on Ubuntu 19.04... Now just as Linux is getting mostly good for me on the desktop... after 15 years with it waiting and I may have to go back to Windows.

      I sincerely hope that Conical comes to their senses and bails on this decision. For the vast majority of life outside High Performance Computer and high end serving there is no actual need for 64bit applications (note the specific reference to application). A 64 bit OS is highly useful but on a technical level if an individual application can address a full 4 odd Gb of memory (the 32bit limit) that is still perfectly fine for gaming and web browsing.

      There is still very much a place for 32bit, even if you just argue for backwards compatibility.
      System76 hasn't said they will be dumping the 32bit libraries. They could still be based on Ubuntu and continue to ship them. What this comes down to isn't 32bit OS vs 64bit its the 32 bit libraries. It should also still be possible to install steam via flatpak under newer Ubuntu versions that have the 32 bit libraries installed. This is really a move away from Ubuntu as the recomended Linux system requirement... on the back end development wise I'm not to sure much would change. Whichever distro Valve picks to replace Ubuntu as the recomended best option... its going to get a nice bump in interest.

      There are plenty of distros much better then Ubuntu which work great with steam and will continue to work great with steam. Manjaro and Solus are both better gaming distros imo... and both are currated rolling release which also imo is a better option for new users. (being currated it would be easy for Valve to dictate libaries ect... or even help with say a project like Solus Steam integration.

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      • Originally posted by zexelon View Post
        I sincerely hope that Conical comes to their senses and bails on this decision. For the vast majority of life outside High Performance Computer and high end serving there is no actual need for 64bit applications (note the specific reference to application). A 64 bit OS is highly useful but on a technical level if an individual application can address a full 4 odd Gb of memory (the 32bit limit) that is still perfectly fine for gaming and web browsing.
        There are 3 major reasons why we need 64 bit applications.
        1) 2038 problem. Linux kernel syscall and even the Windows 32 bit version of their API is infected with this. Best way to start addressing this problem is cease making 32 bit applications.
        2) Address space randomisation works better on 64 bit applications than 32 bit ones. Yes even 32 bit ones running on a 64 bit kernel is less secure than a 64 bit version of that program.
        3) Due to Intel work on compilers 64 bit is faster or equal than 32 bit in all test cases. So if you truly care about performance you don't really want 32 bit parts.

        Originally posted by zexelon View Post
        There is still very much a place for 32bit, even if you just argue for backwards compatibility.
        For legacy support yes. But only for legacy. You don't want new programs being made 32 bit.

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        • Originally posted by bug77 View Post
          With all due respect to what Valve has done for Linux gaming, are they seriously arguing in favor of 32bit in 2019? Wth?
          And about shifting focus to another distro, again, it's 2019. Shift your focus to flatpak, snap or even docker images.
          OMFG... stop with the flatpak. It does not work for what you are advocating for. Newbies have no idea what a flatpak is. And frankly, i hate them. No they are not advocating for 32bit gaming.. they are advocating for gamers. Almost all the games out there are 32bit.. 64 bit games are not in the majority yet by a long shot.

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          • FWIW, I use many different distros for personal use and for work; including RHEL, gentoo, Arch, fedora. However, when it comes to playing games on Steam, nothing compares to Arch, IMHO. I hope Valve shifts focus to recommending it, now that Ubuntu is off the table.

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            • Originally posted by Raka555 View Post

              It is more like Ford deciding to remove wipers from all their cars.
              They are only needed when it rains and it put additional burden on the people that assemble the cars.

              People wanting wipers an their cars, can keep using the old models...

              Then a bunch of people starting arguing that wipers is something that Ford should have done away with 40 years ago, because it is old and useless technology...

              But Ford now suggest using some new technology that involves swapping 2 wind shields in and out.
              So you can clean the one while the other one is in use. There are 2 competing ways how the swapping can be done.
              One is called snaps and the other one flatpak.
              They still have some teething problems where people sometimes get wet while the swapping happens. And there are some edge cases where the swapping gets stuck. But the engineers working on these systems are assuring us that they will sort most of the niggles out.
              They assure us it is something that should have happened a long time ago and soon we will be free of those unaesthetic wipers that was invented more than 100 years ago.

              Many people rejoiced because the new technology is obviously better because its new and now they can finally get rid of those old fashioned wipers...
              You are my hero!

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              • Originally posted by DoMiNeLa10 View Post

                Have you ever tried using it? By the time you're done with the (easy) install process, you'll know where everything is and where to look for solutions to problems that might arise. Much better than random tutorials with walls of terminal commands normies don't understand, because distro maintainers are trying to shield them from the "horror" of using a terminal to get things done.
                Yes I have... and unlike ubuntu that i have a fully functioning desktop in 30 mins, I have to spend hours getting Arch working. I might as well go back to the abortion of windows if i want that kind of pain.

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                • Originally posted by eydee View Post

                  Depends on your point of view. The mac port has been on minimal life support for quite a few years.
                  Steam has been 64bit on macOS since last year....

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                  • Originally posted by Almindor View Post

                    I'm sure their balance sheet are laughing with them being in the red so far on the linux side...
                    Last count, they have billions... the amount they have spent in linux is a rounding error.

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                    • SteamOS is already Debian derivative. I can see them making it a more general purpose os. I absolutely will not go to a rpm based distro though. I have enough problems dealing with rhel. I may try Debian, but if pop os (which i just read they confirmed it) continues multiarch, then i will go there. I just do not get some of you though. You are either 20ish or you are not a gamer. I have used every version of windows since 3.1, aix since 4.1, dec alpha when that was a thing, red hat before they were corporate, used linux in one for or another since 97. The compatibility in windows is because it has a virtual filesystem for 32bit software in the syswow64 environment. It sucks for the most part. Games break all the time... due to patches from the os. Why the elitism? Flatpak, snap, VM works fine if you have a high end rig. But for most of the rest of us, we do not have that kind of hp. None of these solutions will help my dad or mom or joe user. You need to get over yourselves and seriously consider you do not know what you are talking about. I am hoping canonical grows a brain here.

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