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  • #41
    Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post

    Because if you have written rules it's easier to enforce them.
    I just find the rule bizarre since it doesn't govern any behaviour normally seen on mailing lists or in IRC.

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    • #42
      Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post

      Doesn't matter if it's a religious text, "An Interview With a Vampire", or a printed out copy of the BTRFS man pages; does swearing on something really encourage one to be truthful or is the the fear of the penalty that encourages them to be truthful? A CoC, to me, is the same: both give a fear of a penalty or punishment to encourage one to do the right thing; whether or not that fear is effective varies by the person.
      It's a fear of penalty, though the rules are pretty clear when it comes to Perjury. I mention again the chilling effects this may have, though I agree with you that in case of OpenZFS it's not as severe as in other cases.

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      • #43
        Originally posted by nils_ View Post

        I just find the rule bizarre since it doesn't govern any behaviour normally seen on mailing lists or in IRC.
        I've seen enough drama on BSD mailing lists and GNU stuff, it's not a bad thing if others get some countermeasures in place.

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        • #44
          In addition, harmful conduct outside these spaces that negatively impacts members of the OpenZFS community (e.g., making discriminatory or threatening statements against individuals or groups of people) may affect a person’s ability to participate in the OpenZFS community.
          This I find particularly dangerous because it concerns behaviour outside of ZFS. I would probably limit that to illegal behaviour (begging the question "in which jurisdiction?), if at all.

          • Discriminatory language in any form.
          • Jokes that may be received as insults by some people.
          "May be received" is also a very difficult phrase. I can't control how anything I say or write is received by someone else. Most of these rules work implicitly through shared culture. Making them explicit just seems like a bone of contention, and again there is the danger of having personal conflicts between people spill into the project.

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          • #45
            Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
            I've seen enough drama on BSD mailing lists and GNU stuff, it's not a bad thing if others get some countermeasures in place.
            Earlier in this thread you called me retarded. I now have a couple of choices: I can run to Michael, demanding you be banned for abusive behaviour. I could ignore the comment or laugh it off (I assume it was meant as a joke?). Or I could block you (I think, don't know if vBulletin supports this). Which of these options causes the least amount of issues in the community? Personally I would feel it is incredibly childish to run to some committee and complain because my feeling were hurt when there are other, more adequate options to protect myself.

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            • #46
              Originally posted by nils_ View Post
              Convoluted scenario: I'm a project member and another project member meets me at a bar and inititas "sexual attention" not knowing we're members in the same project. I don't welcome said attention. Is this a CoC violation?
              Consider the case where some project member is fine with "sexual attention" at the time when it happens, but changes their mind in the future to get rid of you. The possibilities are endless here.

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              • #47
                Originally posted by nils_ View Post

                Earlier in this thread you called me retarded. I now have a couple of choices: I can run to Michael, demanding you be banned for abusive behaviour. I could ignore the comment or laugh it off (I assume it was meant as a joke?). Or I could block you (I think, don't know if vBulletin supports this). Which of these options causes the least amount of issues in the community? Personally I would feel it is incredibly childish to run to some committee and complain because my feeling were hurt when there are other, more adequate options to protect myself.
                If it was Fark.com you'd get a 24 hour ban for even saying you needed to retard the timing of your car because, there, using the word retard in its 100% politically correct meaning is still offensive because they're a bunch of ultra-liberals gone rampant to the point to where they're essentially the hippie version of a Nazi.

                I think that's the fear a lot of us have when projects adopt a CoC -- who will enforce it and why.

                Look at starship and myself in regards to humor for a perfect example. He pointed out the sexual parts of the CoC and then I hit on him.

                Are the things we said offensive? Possibly; depends on what you find funny.

                Are we being offensive towards anyone or any group in particular? No (at least not in the comments between us).

                Does that previous question even matter? It does to me, it might not for someone else; that's where the fear and uncertainty about CoCs come from.

                Yep, I've done gone an Godwin'd us.

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                • #48
                  I think mutual tolerance is very important. Finding a way to work together.

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by uid313 View Post
                    Does anyone really get encouraged by contributing to a project by it having a Code of Conduct?
                    Like, really?

                    If you're into evidence that may challenge your preconceptions:
                    https://www.reddit.com/r/science/com...a_reminder_of/

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                    • #50
                      I was never a user of ZFS in any way. But this CoC(ky behaviour) guarantees that I never will be.

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