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  • #21
    Originally posted by kpedersen View Post
    ... For other architectures to hit it off in the consumer market (aka Microsoft's fun house), users need to change their habits and re-educate more than you think.
    I'm (still) talking about iPhones, Samsungs and the rest of the mini and mobile market. Try to find something with an x86 CPU and compare it... The choice has been made. x86 is as pathetic as Blackberry was when they were trying to hold on to keys and buttons. They got swiped left.

    Some old-timers will continue to swear on their Intel box with 4+ monitor setups, screaming fans and 1000W power supply, needing an entire room to itself (of course it's a very loved and very special room ...). But the masses don't. They don't want to use an entire room or just an entire table for what they can do on the couch. It's how they have learned to use computers. Nor do they care for what "x86 software" is ("Is it software from 1986?! ..."). And in the past did we have huge computers. At least when a company was rich enough to afford a computer. Then came the wave of 8/16-bit computers followed by 32-bit and now 64-bit x86, which made computers mainstream consumer products, and mainframes became unpopular.

    Perhaps you're trying to tell me that you don't believe in Linux. Or maybe you cannot believe it just yet, but I've already seen it. Then check out the list of SBCs. It's Arm-CPUs from top to bottom, with 0.5GB-4GB DDR3/4 memory, between 1 to 4 cores, running at +1 GHz. These fit into your palm and can replace >90% of today's office PCs and small servers. Why would you buy a Windows PC when you can get a Linux computer for $50?! f you had to equip an office with say 50 PCs why would you skip those? Unless you're stupidly in love with the old generation will you definitely want a Linux PC. The next hardware cycle will only make these more powerful. So if you truly believe that's not the future then what exactly do you believe is stopping it, other than your personal believe of course?

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    • #22
      Originally posted by Ironmask View Post

      Yeah, remember when everyone said how not to use C# because Microsoft would use their patents to close Mono?

      Except that never happened and then they open sourced .NET themselves.
      And now Microsoft owns Xamarin (and thus Mono leaving no vendor agnostic implementation)... Don't rush it. Give it time for them to work their charm, Microsoft still has lots of time to frig it all up for you .

      Microsoft has already deprecated and withheld the source code for .NET Framework (i.e the one people actually use, not coreclr). This means that .NET applications developed between 2009-2014 are effectively dead in the next revision of Windows .
      Last edited by kpedersen; 04-30-2019, 12:55 PM.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by kpedersen View Post
        Microsoft has already deprecated and withheld the source code for .NET Framework (i.e the one people actually use, not coreclr). This means that .NET applications developed between 2009-2014 are effectively dead in the next revision of Windows .
        .NET Framework 4.8 was released 12 days ago with new features and the source is here and on GitHub. It has a more restrictive reference license, and is used as the basis of full open-source reimplementation in .NET Core. WPF and Windows Forms are also being reimplemented on the .NET Core base.

        There's a lot of possibilities of running those applications you mentioned, and I'm certain there will be someone to make a bridge to use the open-source versions of WPF and WF eventually.

        What are the basis of you saying .NET Framework is/will be deprecated in the "next revision of Windows"? Windows 10 ships without the older .NET Frameworks enabled, but that is easily done with a GUI. It even asks you if you want to do it when you first run an application that uses the older versions.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by kpedersen View Post

          And now Microsoft owns Xamarin (and thus Mono leaving no vendor agnostic implementation)... Don't rush it. Give it time for them to work their charm, Microsoft still has lots of time to frig it all up for you .

          Microsoft has already deprecated and withheld the source code for .NET Framework (i.e the one people actually use, not coreclr). This means that .NET applications developed between 2009-2014 are effectively dead in the next revision of Windows .
          I see you're not a .NET developer, so it's a little easier for you to freely spew garbage.

          .NET Core is massive and Microsoft is full-on sprinting towards making it THE version of .NET. .NET Core is already getting WPF support, it has backwards compatibility with .NET Framework (making Framework completely obsolete), and they're not implementing new and exciting features into Frameowkr anymore (because they can't, it breaks compatibility, which is a major reason Core exists, it can be packaged with an app into a stand-alone app or installed side-by-side with other Core versions)

          Also, .NET Framework is going to be supported forever, exactly like WSH is (do you know what that is? I'm not telling you, if you hold a match in this conversation you should know). The only thing happening is .NET Framework is not getting new features and will be kept in a feature-stasis (NOT an update/security stasis). You know, kind of like how Linux distros work?

          And, how the heck is Microsoft buying Xamarin a bad thing? They were about to go under, they had zero money. If Microsoft didn't buy them they would have died along with Mono. They do a charity case and you call them evil for it? Maybe we shouldn't have this discussion, I can see it's one-sided. Nothing MS will ever do will make you unsuspicious of them. They can release Windows under the GPL and you'd call it a dirty plot.

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          • #25
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