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  • Sam Hartman Is Debian's Newest Project Leader, Aims To "Keep Debian Fun"

    Phoronix: Sam Hartman Is Debian's Newest Project Leader, Aims To "Keep Debian Fun"

    While initially no qualified candidates stepped forward for the 2019 Debian Project Leader elections, following the extended nomination period and voting, Sam Hartman has been elected the newest leader of Debian...

    http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...PL-Sam-Hartman

  • #2
    Debian is not fun when it isn't safe—when we are not respected, when we are harassed, or when we (rather than our ideas) are judged. I support our Code of Conduct.
    The SJW rot is deep within Debian. No wonder no one wanted to lead it. Let it burn.

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    • #3
      He's got some valid points but he's also asking for the impossible. The larger your target userbase is, the harder it is to please everyone. This is why distros like Gentoo practically never get much negative criticism: it has a narrow demographic which is expected to make their own informed decisions. Debian tries to reach out pretty far, so when you make decisions like remove packages for offensive names, nitpick about security features, implement polarizing software by default, or adopt a CoC, you're going to piss people off. I'm not saying they're wrong to make such decisions (considering who they want to appeal to) but we live in a world where everyone feels entitled to have their opinions and feelings catered to, and that's where the disagreements and bickering come in. I'm not sure it's possible to make Debian fun if they want to appeal to such a wide demographic.
      Last edited by schmidtbag; 04-21-2019, 10:40 AM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
        This is why distros like Gentoo practically never get much negative criticism:
        Apart from being a commonly used meme, and also a common 4chan answer to many PC issues, that is.

        Last edited by starshipeleven; 04-21-2019, 12:13 PM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by eggbert View Post

          The SJW rot is deep within Debian. No wonder no one wanted to lead it. Let it burn.
          I agree that this is a real worry for any project (since 3 years ago this weird trend started?).

          However luckily SJWs rarely have the attention span (or the effort) to get deep within a project. They blow in, spout a load of crap and get bored once people get back to real work. So they leave.

          For me Debian is important even though I rarely use it directly. For example lots of SoC prototype boards use some derivative of it, same with Android based chroots. So I hope that it does keep on alive for many years to come.

          The idea of "more fun" scares me a bit. Hopefully they wont just focus on gimmicky crap just because it is "trendy and fun", like C# in the kernel XD.

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          • #6
            I can't care less about Debian. It's an awful distro with a backwards idea of handling software (plenty of own patches, effort wasted on backporting fixes to play into their versioning paranoia). Arch became the only distro I really care about when it comes to something that's quick to set up and easy to use. Developers know when their software is ready, and keeping versions which were outdated for years around, and wasting time with backporting isn't worth it. On top of that, their shitty "alternative" system breaks the second you use something outside of their package manager, and forces you to make symlinks to your suckless software manually if you want to play with their system. Oh, and enjoy updates that revert things to their enforced preferences, it's as bad as Windows.

            It can die for all I care, I'll be happy to see that happen, as it will get rid of other crappy distros.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by DoMiNeLa10 View Post
              I can't care less about Debian. It's an awful distro with a backwards idea of handling software (plenty of own patches, effort wasted on backporting fixes to play into their versioning paranoia).
              You have not checked Debian testing/sid. It is more stable, easier to use and compatible than arch Linuxes and does have fresh and tested software packages. Debian will not die, it is so popular and receives a lot of human, money and hardware support. No other distribution has so many fast package servers around the world. No other distribution have resources to make dependencies to work as good as Debian does.
              https://www.debian.org/users/

              http://allinfo.space/2017/01/14/nasa...ops-by-debian/
              Last edited by debianxfce; 04-21-2019, 12:51 PM.

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              • #8
                I have some ideas to make Debian fun and use human resources better.
                - drop the "stable" distribution, Debian testing/sid is stable, you get bug fixes and new features faster and is compatible with many ubuntu packages.
                - drop IBM software; buggy, slow and never ready.
                - drop the point release Mesa and use the Mesa and LLVM development git that has latest bug fixes for games.
                - use the latest mainline kernel and make it non debug and using the 1000HZ timer to run faster.
                - drop wine and use wine-staging and dxvk that support more games.

                My distribution does this and I would be happy not maintaining it.
                Last edited by debianxfce; 04-21-2019, 01:20 PM.

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                • #9
                  I tried many distributions but by far Debian testing/sid was the worst. It was a nightmare and after switching to Arch Linux I could for the first time enjoy a system that is not blocked by strange policies, dependencies and package management. Up until now I don't understand why they make something simple so complex that everybody claims their fear of updating software as stability.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
                    He's got some valid points but he's also asking for the impossible. The larger your target userbase is, the harder it is to please everyone.
                    It's not about pleasing everyone.

                    It's about keeping discussions constructive, and also keeping discussions on content level, not going in emotional personal fights or flames.

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