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  • #31
    Debian has a variety of releases - oldstable, stable, testing and unstable:
    https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable
    There are also backports for the stable releases you just want a few newer packages, not all of them. Ubuntu likely has there as well.

    The other server OS I use is FreeBSD, although I might not be for that much longer.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by hax0r View Post
      x86 is garbage not useful beyond arch-tied proprietary PC applications, thankfully it is now obsolete and it is dying along with Intel, we will have ARM as de facto arch in Apple macbooks by 2020, the last slice of x86 market share. AMD is OK and x86 in consoles is OK.
      Like it or not, intel's x86 dominance has ensured a thriving x86 ecosystem with decent standards (de facto or otherwise).

      In comparison, ARM is akin to the wild wild west as I understand it (with every vendor doing their own, weird thing). If this has changed while I wasn't paying attention then great.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by ermo View Post
        In comparison, ARM is akin to the wild wild west as I understand it (with every vendor doing their own, weird thing). If this has changed while I wasn't paying attention then great.
        I'm looking, and it didn't change.

        There are efforts to get them on UEFI though.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
          It requires a significant amount of pre-requisite knowledge, or a significant amount of reading the wiki.
          It's hard for anyone that does not fully understand how a distro actually works, which isn't a skill everyone has (or really needs to have imho).
          Like I said, I wouldn't do it again. But I liked that I got a peek of what the installer has to go through

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          • #35
            Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
            It requires a significant amount of pre-requisite knowledge, or a significant amount of reading the wiki.
            It's hard for anyone that does not fully understand how a distro actually works, which isn't a skill everyone has (or really needs to have imho).
            Sorry dude but Arch is not even remotely hard. It is just uncomfortable that is where you are getting confused. Doing things "the arch way" is actually the most stupid way to install a distribution ever. You do net get more control like you get in gentoo and absolutly nothing is done that could not be done faster with an gui installer and scripts.

            Sometimes i think arch users just need to feel hardcore even so they are just using a normal distribution.

            You want to do a significant amount of reading and feel realy hardcore? Go Gentoo or even better LFS.

            Otherwise use arch if you like it but shut up about it being hard. That is plain and simple complete bullshit.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Mordred View Post
              Sorry dude but Arch is not even remotely hard.
              I know you want to say Gentoo is harder so you are more "man" if you use it but it's not.

              You want to do a significant amount of reading and feel realy hardcore? Go Gentoo or even better LFS.
              Gentoo is basically Arch with compile flags, it's not particularly different. If you know how to install/use Arch you can learn Gentoo in an evening. And I'm not kidding.

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              • #37
                Is there any security advantage of IBRS over Retpoline? Also, with the case with many things, one algorithm can work better in one situation, and another in another situation. So maybe either should be able to be chosen but the setting that is best for most users chosen by default, as long as they are both equally secure. I am more favorable for going with the more secure option by default even if it is not as fast and then if people want to configure off that default, they can.

                I hear some people disabling Spectre mitigation altogether. I would recommend people think twice about that.

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                • #38

                  x86 is not obsolete and is quite powerful. There is nothing wrong with the ISA. Most people do not deal directly with an ISA anyway, its a matter for people who write compilers. I do write compilers and supporting x86 has not been any more difficult than ARM or any other platform and the performance is very good.

                  Intel did drop the ball on Mobile and really needs to get some x86 cellphones on the market.

                  BTW, Spectre supports nearly all modern CPUs, ARM included. Its not an x86 design flaw

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
                    I know you want to say Gentoo is harder so you are more "man" if you use it but it's not.

                    Gentoo is basically Arch with compile flags, it's not particularly different. If you know how to install/use Arch you can learn Gentoo in an evening. And I'm not kidding.
                    The Gentoo intall itself is much more complex than the arch one.

                    And no i actually don't fucking care of beeing more of a "man" i use all kinds of distris on different systems. The main one is actually running fedora which is very comfortable and "unhardcore".

                    Gentoo is on the "playmachine" i try new stuff on.

                    Point still stands: Arch is not hard whyever people want to think so. You are doing pretty much the same steps that you could do in gui installer and everything else is done by scripts. Which is not a bad thing if you want it slow and uncomfortable. But hard? What about arch is hard? Pacman and AUR make stuff extremely simple once you through this stupid installation process. xorg is autoconfig. installation is a breeze pretty much everything is done automaticly.

                    And this is not bad. There is no need to be hardcore to the bones like gentoo or lfs. I just don't get why they are not using a fucking gui installation to speed things up. I don't see any benefit of using fdisk by hand just to do exactly the same shit that the gui would preconfigure (like the neccessary partition for uefi for example)

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                    • #40
                      Long time Arch-er (7 1/2 years) here to say, IMHO, Arch is easy to install, it's not _user_friendly_ to install.... And I can't draw an owl

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