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  • #21
    Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
    Considering that the list you posted is bullshit (Debian a standard? Arch is easy to install?, Slackware what? just to cite the most important points ), I'm not really surprised.
    How am I talking bullshit? Debian is the GNU/Linux standard and most important distro of all. Arch can be installed in about 5 steps and there's nothing hard about it, the KISS principle makes things easy. Slackware is another great example of KISS, it should serve as an inspiration to other distro.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by hax0r View Post
      ...Arch can be installed in about 5 steps and there's nothing hard about it

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      • #23
        Debian, Ubuntu etc. it's shit, Arch is a great release but it's not for everyone and they know it too.
        Usually I always have great respect for everyone, but since some users here do not respect the work of others, I can only confirm that Debian and derivatives are shit, at least for my decades of experience. I'm really incredulous in reading some crap here, blame Intel that did a shitty job on their CPU, not who should put the patches.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by Espionage724 View Post

          Well, I've gone through this experience. And while installing Arch is not a "5 easy steps" by any means, it's not "how to draw an owl" either.
          If I knew beforehand what I know now, I would have gone with a sister distro that includes an installer. But Arch's wiki is the best bar none. You'll find everything you need in there (but yes, you need to know how to look).

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          • #25
            Originally posted by Charlie68 View Post
            Debian, Ubuntu etc. it's shit, Arch is a great release but it's not for everyone and they know it too.
            Usually I always have great respect for everyone, but since some users here do not respect the work of others, I can only confirm that Debian and derivatives are shit, at least for my decades of experience. I'm really incredulous in reading some crap here, blame Intel that did a shitty job on their CPU, not who should put the patches.
            Holy crap, I thought it was just me, every once and a while I try using Debian it has never been stable for me, Arch can be a PITA but has been a lot more reliable for me (Which the internet tells me is the exact opposite)

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            • #26
              Originally posted by hax0r View Post
              How am I talking bullshit?
              Nothing of what you said is even remotely true.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by bug77 View Post
                Well, I've gone through this experience. And while installing Arch is not a "5 easy steps" by any means, it's not "how to draw an owl" either.
                It requires a significant amount of pre-requisite knowledge, or a significant amount of reading the wiki.
                It's hard for anyone that does not fully understand how a distro actually works, which isn't a skill everyone has (or really needs to have imho).

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by Charlie68 View Post
                  Debian, Ubuntu etc. it's shit, Arch is a great release but it's not for everyone and they know it too.
                  Usually I always have great respect for everyone, but since some users here do not respect the work of others, I can only confirm that Debian and derivatives are shit, at least for my decades of experience. I'm really incredulous in reading some crap here, blame Intel that did a shitty job on their CPU, not who should put the patches.
                  I have my fair share of bad and meh things to say on Debian, but I'd personally call "shit" only Ubuntu, as only there I've seen breakage I didn't thought was even possible.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by hax0r View Post
                    I myself can't name a single thing OpenSuse is trying to accomplish, any reason behind why it exists. They could call quits and join efforts of other distros.
                    After I abandoned Mandrake, I tested several distros. At the time, openSUSE seemed to have the best KDE maintenance. And with Tumbleweed, it's got recent packages. Time has passed, and I don't know what the "competition" looks like these days. Can't believe they've deployed rbrown to interact with end-users, that's a pr disaster.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by dremon_nl View Post

                      Nothing from your list provides that under the same umbrella. Tumbleweed also provides the best rolling experience with Plasma desktop.
                      IMHO:
                      Fedora >= Tumbleweed
                      Centos >= Leap
                      But you are right about the KDE experience offered by openSUSE, it is only rivalled by Plasma.

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