Lennart Poettering Points Out That Fedora Workstation Could Lose Some Weight

[ArchLinux]

who gives a shit about default installs?
that below are all fedora installs on a cluster running F29 and installed in 2008 with F9

/dev/sdb1 ext4 5.8G 953M 4.9G 17% /
/dev/sdb1 ext4 5.8G 699M 5.1G 12% /
/dev/sdb1 ext4 5.8G 432M 5.4G 8% /
/dev/sdb1 ext4 5.8G 1000M 4.8G 17% /
/dev/sdb1 ext4 5.8G 750M 5.1G 13% /
/dev/sdb1 ext4 5.8G 3.0G 2.8G 52% /
/dev/sdb1 ext4 5.8G 429M 5.4G 8% /
/dev/sdb1 ext4 5.8G 680M 5.1G 12% /
/dev/sdb1 ext4 5.8G 496M 5.3G 9% /
/dev/sdb1 ext4 5.8G 462M 5.4G 8% /
/dev/sdb1 ext4 5.8G 637M 5.2G 11% /
/dev/sdb1 ext4 5.8G 465M 5.4G 8% /
/dev/sdb1 ext4 5.8G 3.1G 2.8G 53% /
/dev/sdb1 ext4 5.8G 890M 4.9G 16% /
/dev/sdb1 ext4 5.8G 633M 5.2G 11% /
/dev/sdb1 ext4 5.8G 783M 5.0G 14% /
/dev/sdb1 ext4 5.8G 559M 5.3G 10% /
/dev/sdb1 ext4 7.8G 4.7G 3.1G 61% /
/dev/sdb1 ext4 5.8G 635M 5.2G 11% /
/dev/sdb1 ext4 5.8G 558M 5.3G 10% /
/dev/sdb1 ext4 5.8G 495M 5.3G 9% /

But bro.

Clearly that post makes no sense.

[mifritscher]

It is simply a pity that big software packages like gnome doesn't work on anything other than on Linux anymore without a big hassle...

[mifritscher]

people which argue that they can't install systemd on Android need meds

What is this for a shitty "argumentation"?! Stay away from being personal! On many devices you can install other Linux Userlands, but must still stick to the kernel version (and often use libhybris). If you hang on a 3.14 kernel version you can't use distros with a current systemd any longer. The same goes for the several tools which enables a second userland besides a running Android (and use not only a chroot but also namespaces for a better isolation)

[mifritscher]

have you ever thougt about cause and effect?
if there would be a relevant userbase on other systems....

why would someone waste time to support imaginary users?

There _IS_ a relevant and big userbase, much bigger than you can imagine it seems. Just search for Linux Deploy. Or libhybris. On devices like the Planet Gemini this is even a major selling point.

[duby229]

how is that a valid response to "it causes more bugs and security problems" -> "when it comes to security systemd helps to solve a ton of security problems"

humands worked well before the internet as people like you could post their shit only on the wall of a toilet instead take every oppotunity to appear like a moron in the public



besides that's bullshit and everybody knows that how is that related to what you responded to?
anotehr opportunity you took let you appear like a moron



the same nonsense as i would say "the quality of the Linux kernel is poor, look at the fukcing changelog of every bugfix release each week" which is the result of two facts: a lot of capabilities and a large userbase so that soemone cares for bugs at all, your shit script kiddy software is not bugfreem just nobody cares about

again: you argue like a moron

How about the most major bug of all? LP don't give a fuck about nobody, not even you....

[duby229]

so what, i don't want to get married with him, systemd just works and is by far not LP alone

Except that systemd in fact doesn't just work as proved by both eudev and elogind, and that LP in fact does act like a unilateral emperor...

[duby229]

how can eudev and elogind prove anything else than you are not the only fool, nothing new

if it don't work how comes that it runs here for full 7 years on all sort of servers, routers, firewalls and desktop in production serving millions of requests every day? and in fact everything runs better and more secure these days as before systemd

That's a flat out lie.... If you actually bothered to look at the code, you would immediately notice that internal dependencies have no organized structure. They've made very little to no effort to abstract anything. It's a big ass soup of internal dependencies that literally nobody can figure out..... As already proved by both eudev and elogind....

[duby229]

how can it be a lie sitting in front of a production cluster which just works?
are you on drugs?

you are mixing completly different topics, that you personally don't like the code don't make it non-working
there is abstraction and consolidation in /usr/lib64/libsystemd.so.0.23.0

that you want get rid auf anythign related to systemd is your fucking personal problem

get it into your shithead that you can't demand from a developer that he writes code to make it easy or you rip it out and the only thing which bothers me as developer is that my code is for me and the persons which are supposed to maintain it maintainable and i couldn't care less about anybody not wanting to use it

You're the the moron that doesn't get that it -can't- be used and it's -designed- that way on purpose. Trust me, you're the last person LP gives a fuck about. Systemd -does in fact- have tools that people want to use, that's a fact, but it's also a fact that those tools are -not- portable. Facts whether you like them or not.

[duby229]

WTF are you talking about?
what can't be used and why?

systemd works out of the box as it is, that's a proven fact, no matter desktops, servers or embeded devices

systemd as it is works just fine, when you only want to use parts of it that's just your fucking problem
it's designed as it is for purpose, if you are not the target audience stay away
if other developers using it als dependecny that's their decision

well, that may mean fro you over time that you can't use that much opensource software as you like or need to learn deal with systemd, the world is cruel, but i couldn't care less because as said: it just works for 7 years in production, it's here, it stays, suck it

i want that all the idiots which have no clue shut up and you are still here :-)

No it doesn't, Linux on the desktop has much less than 1% marketshare and it's shrinking rapidly because of systemd. And also because of systemd -NONE- of those useful tools can be used -anywhere- else..... The whole entire thing is an anti-trust death wish.

Maybe 1/4 of 1% of all people can use those tools as is..... Fact.... And that's exactly what LP wants and it's -NEVER- gonna get better than that until those tools are ported -out- of systemd.

[duby229]

what a pile of shit!

a) nobody right in his mind cares about marketshare given that OSS is out of market
b) the typical desktop user don't know what a init system is at all
c) nobody cares about "anywhere else" in 2019

Your whole stance stands on a monopoly position.
a) requires such huge adoption that it wouldn't matter anymore
b) requires an immensely ignorant userbase, because in fact systemd is much more than that
c) requires every other alternative to be extinct

And in all three of those cases you don't have anywhere near the monopoly position you believe you have.