Lennart Poettering Points Out That Fedora Workstation Could Lose Some Weight

[starshipeleven]

I don't understand what's this desperation of Linux developers to keep removing packages installed by default, so if you don't have internet or its speed it's very low, you're screwed.

It's because of the common assumption that people doing a default install will not need specialist stuff.

I prefer to download a distro packed with everything and install it on many computers and finish instead of downloading a lite distro, installing on many computers and then wait a lot to install updates and programs one by one.

Have you ever heard of disk cloning?
I can deploy and install 10 systems in (nearly) the same time as 1000 because of stuff like automated clonezilla setup and network shares with images on them.

Also, decent distros like OpenSUSE let you customize the application list of the stuff you want to install, before installing the system (and can pull them down already updated from the Internet). So I can install all I need in one go.

Probably they're following Gnome's ideology of removing stuff until you have nothing.

No, no no. Gnome's ideology is removing OPTIONS, not stuff.

[NateHubbard]

I don't understand what's this desperation of Linux developers to keep removing packages installed by default, so if you don't have internet or its speed it's very low, you're screwed.
Maybe I'm one of the few, but these days I prefer to download a distro packed with everything and install it on many computers and finish instead of downloading a lite distro, installing on many computers and then wait a lot to install updates and programs one by one.

And then once you've installed that full distro you've downloaded on your slow connection, you run updates and replace a huge percentage of the packages with new downloads anyway.

[Weasel]

He should definitely start with most of systemd since the average user isn't going to use most of it.

[Danielsan]

This guy knows how making new best friends every time...

[ehansin]

These days I dont care about disk space so much. But I dislike having so many running services by default. Linux is nice and modular but really needs a better services model. CUPs doesn't need to run until I have a print job. In my use case I rarely print anything. Configure a printer and dont start until I want to print.
I for one really hope the packaged application and supporting libraries makes further inroads. I'm tired of obscure packages not running due to some dependency on a specific package or version that aren't readily available anymore.

systemd-xinetd - I like it actually! As a concept at least, loosely associated, but as a general concept.

[ehansin]

F@#! Lenfart Poopering!! FedoraD WorkstationD is for loozers!

[ehansin]

systemd can do this. CUPS needs updating I'd imagine.

Never mind, sounds like we have the technology already!

[starshipeleven]

He should definitely start with most of systemd since the average user isn't going to use most of it.

We can also remove the kernel. The average user isn't using the kernel either.

[schmidtbag]

Not really. Also most of it is optional.

So you're telling me you were hoping or expecting systemd to include features like networking, cron-like functionality, and containers? Don't get me wrong, there are several "nobody asked for this" features that made sense or turned out to be mostly beneficial (such as the udev integration, stuff related to encryption, or portable services) but I feel like systemd would be more widely accepted if they spent more time fixing existing known problems rather than add features where there's already a widely-used and perfectly fine solution.

For the record, I'm not the type of person who gives a crap about "it's not the Unix way!", other ideological principles, or having some stupid conspiracy against Red Hat, I just don't like unnecessary feature-creep when there's still other work to do.

As for the features being optional, that's not the case for every distro, and the bigger problem is how these features distract from bugs that still haven't been fixed.

[Kemosabe]

They should drop the gnome3 desktop with its applications, systemd, pulseaudio and networkmanager. If they want to have a stable, light and fast distribution. The installer of my gaming distribution 539 MB. It has Debian testing/sid Xfce, steam, latest open source GPU drivers, wine-staging and dxvk.

You know... there are people out there who know and make use of the fact that a workstation is intended to be used for work and not as a time killing gaming device.