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  • Originally posted by r08z View Post
    LOL have fun replacing glibc
    Ehm? Void Linux. Runit init, it has separate version with a musl C library, LibreSSL crypto. And it is a 'desktop Linux' (XFCE, LXQT, LXDE, Mate, Cinnamon, Enlightenment).
    There are some more, which could be used as desktop installation if need be (Alpine, JanusLinux).

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    • Originally posted by Britoid View Post

      Ok. It's become painstakingly obvious that you're just a troll who doesn't know what they're talking about, let alone anything about Linux.
      It took you a while to realize, didn't it?

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      • Originally posted by AsuMagic View Post

        It took you a while to realize, didn't it?
        I like to have too much faith in humanity.

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        • Originally posted by FireBurn View Post
          AKA I don't know what I was doing, so I just fumbled along anyway - so it must be someone elses fault
          AKA I got a conflict because of something related to systemd that I did not care for and if I didn't answer Y then I wouldn't have been able to do my thing so what the fuck is your point? IT GOT IN MY WAY and that was my point.

          It's simple. The choice is binary. Yes or No. No (default) means I cannot go and continue my shit, which is even worse. For crying out loud.

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          • Originally posted by pgoetz View Post
            That upgrade was transparent and did not cause massive breakage on any of the several Arch systems I upgraded.
            I think you missed the part where I said "latest iso", which was the February one. Nobody was talking about your existing Arch system nor any "upgrades" in the first place.

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            • Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
              I have my doubts. Why you do stupid shit like mounting a ro overlay on /usr "to save space" when you don't even grasp the basics of the distro? You are asking for trouble.
              Because it's a VM, that exists only on tmpfs? And I have several running already. All from tmpfs (this is nothing new for me btw). squashfs with LZ4 is insanely fast and reduces from 2 GB to 400 MB. Also, obviously automatic because I have a script that does it, it's not just for the Arch VM, lol.

              Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
              Seriously what the fuck.

              I just told you that the library fuckup was done by the distro's package manager (or something else, more likely it was you doing stupid shit with /usr or other stuff you didn't tell), and you proceed to say you "don't care that it is systemd fault or not", then proceed to blame systemd for this issue again.

              Are you seriously trying to channel debianxfce's spirit? Because that's right into his alley of mind-fuckery.
              Because it's always systemd I had issues with when I didn't look for it at all. He fucked up because of systemd etc. I didn't say it was systemd's fault directly? I said it gets in my way.

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              • Originally posted by debianxfce View Post
                Use systemd with the Amlogic S912 SOC and the android 3.19 kernel that has audio support. No go, systemd supports only newer kernels. No audio support in mainline kernels. http://linux-meson.com/doku.php
                Like I said, no valid points have been made. Can't blame amlogic's incompetence on systemd.

                Systemd is developed for servers only and systemd developer idiots do not realize that Linux is used everywhere.
                Uhm, ok.... I hope you get professional help.

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                • Originally posted by debianxfce View Post
                  Devuan maintainers are not logical, pulseaudio is a bigger bomb than systemd.
                  i'm sure they will be happy to discuss it with you on conference. you should come

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                  • Originally posted by cybertraveler View Post
                    Doesn't ALSA just provide a low level API? What's wrong with it?
                    implementation. there are bugs in drivers, you know. bugs which were blamed on pa

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                    • Originally posted by Weasel View Post
                      Can systemd just go fuck itself? I'm sick of it controlling everything and getting in my way. I've never had this kind of issues on any other VM without it. Just fuck off already.
                      sure, if you don't want systemd to cleanly unmount your filesystems, just press reset button

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