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Originally posted by starshipeleven View PostLol, it's not "pragmatism", they just don't have much choice left.
They can't keep chest-thumping like back in the day.
The reality is that their current management is very focused on the company's bottom line and clearly makes pragmatic decisions based on it. Under this reasoning, if they can shave off a couple of million in expenses by moving all of the expensive-to-develop-and-maintain components in Edge and Visual Studio to ones that are developed and maintained for free by third parties, then they'll do that the same way they'll host Linux instances on Azure if there's a demand for them. There's simply no reason to give their competitors an edge by allowing them to host everything while themselves sticking to only a part of the market.
As for if this is wise in the long run, I seriously doubt that, but at that point the current management has long since left to company and sold off their stock options.
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Originally posted by L_A_G View PostThey absolutely have the ability to continue forging their own path with their own proprietary implementations.
If maintaining their market dominance in the desktop market despite Windows 8 and 10 being what they ended up as didn't prove that they have the desktop market by the proverbial testicles, then I don't know what does.
It only proves that people won't upgrade their hardware they bought unless they really need to.
And let me tell you, it will be efen funnier when most of those 50% Win7 users will remain on Win7 after 2020 and it goes out of support.
The reality is that their current management is very focused on the company's bottom line and clearly makes pragmatic decisions based on it.
host Linux instances on Azure if there's a demand for them. There's simply no reason to give their competitors an edge by allowing them to host everything while themselves sticking to only a part of the market.
As for if this is wise in the long run, I seriously doubt that,
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Originally posted by starshipeleven View PostNo they don't.
Yeah, market dominance with XP taking ages to actually die off, and Windows 7 (released like 10 years ago and somewhat near to the end of the support) still holding more than 50% marketshare. If we look at Win8 or Win10 numbers it's a fucking joke.
And let me tell you, it will be efen funnier when most of those 50% Win7 users will remain on Win7 after 2020 and it goes out of support.
Thus just about all of the hold-outs will obviously be technically illiterate people who don't know how to upgrade their OS and just use what the machine came installed with. This is also the reason why Android has always been such a fragemented mess.
As was the older guard. It's just that now what makes the most sense is to rebadge Chrome to have at least some kind of decent and working browser instead of trying to push their own implementation that is still sucking after a massive rewrite.
Which is the same thing I'm saying. They are not changed, the market they are in did. They wouldn't be able to get away with that now, so they don't. Back then they did got away fine with most of their shit, so why not doing it and earn billions?
In other words: When companies would previously host their own Linux VMs Microsoft didn't get any money from it, now when they're acting as a hosting provider they're also getting paid to host products not their own. It basically is just Microsoft taking over work previously handled by companies' own IT departments.
Nah it's OK, none really needed IE or Edge anyway, MS only needs a MS-branded browser for PR reasons now that they can't force their shit on the Internet (i.e. ActiveX for example) anymore.Last edited by L_A_G; 07 December 2018, 09:18 AM.
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Originally posted by L_A_G View PostJust claiming something doesn't make it true or even an argument. When you claim something like that, you need to base it on something.
Considering how XP saw a pretty sharp drop after it went out of support I seriously doubt this. Particularly when compatibility was a very big part of the reason why so many people stuck with XP and there's way fewer compatibility issues between 7 and 10 than there were between XP and 7 or Vista. Microsoft hasn't re-architected major parts of Windows like they did between XP and Vista meaning that in probably 90% of cases 10 will be a drop-in replacement.
Thus just about all of the hold-outs will obviously be technically illiterate people who don't know how to upgrade their OS and just use what the machine came installed with. This is also the reason why Android has always been such a fragemented mess.
Not sure what your point is there considering my point was that having your own proprietary implementation is basically just a money pit in this day and age.
If you think Linux having a significant marketshare on servers is a new thing, then you're completely clueless.
Considering how Microsoft didn't try to add anything even remotely like ActiveX into Edge you're way off the mark there with that ActiveX remark.
My point "none really needed IE or Edge anyway, MS only needs a MS-branded browser for PR reasons now that they can't force their shit on the Internet (i.e. ActiveX for example) anymore." still stands.
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Originally posted by starshipeleven View PostThat's the same reason why most won't switch until the hardware dies.
That's most of the userbase.
My point is that current MS leaders aren't "more pragmatic" than older gen, it's just the situations that make the old approach unfeasible.
I don't. Where did I claim it?
As a result Microsoft has more control of the market, not less, as they've also become a major player in the virtual server hosting business. This is a big part of the reason why they're posting profits better than what they've seen in a long while.
The age when MS tried to impose stuff on the Internet was over well before Edge (MS has been in the w3c for the HTML5 thing together with Google and others since mid-IE11 era. They were just way too slow to actually give up their pride.
My point "none really needed IE or Edge anyway, MS only needs a MS-branded browser for PR reasons now that they can't force their shit on the Internet (i.e. ActiveX for example) anymore." still stands.
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Originally posted by hrkristian View PostIt's strange how a Linux forum can be so negative towards FOSS behemoths like Chromium, when Linux itself is a FOSS behemoth. The largest of them all.
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Originally posted by L_A_G View PostWhen compatibility is mostly a non-issue from Vista onwards I really doubt people will stick to versions of it past the end of extended support for any other reason than ineptitude. Windows Vista had extended support run out last year and it's pretty much dropped off the face of the earth at this point. Thus I doubt it's successor will be any different when it's extended support runs out.
Home users maybe, but corporate users don't tend to leave gaping security holes like that in their systems.
My point was that the continued dominance of Microsoft despite blunders shows that the old approach still most definitely still works.
Where they failed is when they tried to set a foot outside of their stronghold, server, mobile, embedded.
When you went around talking about how the market had somehow changed to no longer be in Microsoft's favor...
Guess where they are most "progressive"? Where they can't just push the same crap.
As a result Microsoft has more control of the market, not less, as they've also become a major player in the virtual server hosting business. This is a big part of the reason why they're posting profits better than what they've seen in a long while.
Ok... Now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing rather than actually presenting some kind of meaningful difference of opinion.
This isn't a fruit of more "progressive" leadership, unlike what you post, but because the market has changed and now they can't just push their thing anymore.
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