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New Linux Code of Conduct Revisions: CoC Committee Added Plus Interpretation & Mediator
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This is not a big enough document that it would help by crowdsourcing the text. If you've seen even the previous forum discussions here about it, you can imagine that would end in nothing more than an unproductive mess.
The communities worries (short of complete removal of the CoC) are clearly addressed, and these new changes are still up for public discussion before merging.
I'd say that even if you have your reservations about the document, then the process this has gone through, the clear limitations in scope, the added transparency, and the reassertion of the Linux kernel communities priorities make this at least one of the better CoC adoptions.
The initial inclusion was contentious, but this process is definitely what we want as an example moving forward; not only for the Linux kernel, but for any other project looking to include a CoC.
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Originally posted by AJenbo View PostUsing terms like "SJW" poisons the well. Lumping people in a group and labeling them as being unable to reason you are sabotages the opportunity for constructive discord by creating an us vs them mentality.
https://twitter.com/_sagesharp_/stat...69399596437504
Or the maintainers of the Contributors covenant not acting on man hating
https://github.com/ContributorCovena...ant/issues/278
Or the fact its inclusion is politically motivated not in bounding a civil coding environment
https://twitter.com/CoralineAda/stat...65346656530432
Or rejecting requests to to the Contributors covenant simply because the aim of the Contributors covenant is to push a subset inclusion NOT remove any hostile environment
https://github.com/ContributorCovena...ant/issues/610
Its ok to assign a label and then attack someone based upon that non-valid label ONLY if you are from the left...
The CoC in principal is ok-ish, the Code of Conflict could have been enforced. The issue is the Code of Conduct now pushes how people should act as oppose to how they shouldn't. It explicitly want to accept opinion over facts, it explicitly want to protect a subset not provide a general "be good to everybody)Last edited by Naib; 20 October 2018, 03:06 PM.
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Originally posted by cb88 View Post
That's how you boil a frog, slowly by degrees.
I suppose that a kind of "dictatorial" CoC for the kernel may actually be a bigger danger for other smaller projects than the kernel itself. There is far too much money behind the kernel and the big fish are not going to have their businesses derailed by a bunch of SJW hissy fits. Smaller projects could, however, be pushed to adopt a CoC more strongly on the grounds that "all the cool kids" now have one...
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Originally posted by Naib View PostThe CoC in principal is ok-ish, the Code of Conflict could have been enforced. The issue is the Code of Conduct now pushes how people should act as oppose to how they shouldn't. It explicitly want to accept opinion over facts, it explicitly want to protect a subset not provide a general "be good to everybody)
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Or to put this into coding terms, if a CoC is an abstraction layer to facilitate reasonable communication, your abstraction layer now requires calling an interpreter layer to function correctly.
*Sigh* How long until this devolves into spaghetti code?
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Originally posted by BwackNinja View Post(...) avoids the trap of watering down the Linux kernel community's presentation of itself as inclusive and its commitment to addressing problems.
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