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Last edited by Guest; 08 October 2018, 07:19 AM.
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Originally posted by profoundWHALE View PostQuick question, can I be a moron, submitting patches that are literal garbage, be called out on it, and then claim harassment? I am glad that they've moved in a better direction, but I still prefer the (good code) > (your feelings) approach.
When a very selective university rejects candidates, they say something like "We are sorry to inform you that you have not been accepted to join us next year" and not "You are a m******* t*******, go die". Being polite does not prevents you from being selective.
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Originally posted by Kitty View PostLove the comments. Agree or not, there's a behavior problem. When you have people in leadership positions telling contributors to kill themselves to make the gene pool better, that's kind of a "code smell." Telling someone to commit a sex act on someone of the same sex in response to a perceived professional inadequecy in a code review (actual verbiage is banned by content policy, use your imagination) is sophomoric at best, and not something most people want to deal with on a routine basis.
There seems to be this tacit assumption that a "thick skin" makes for a strong engineer and helps "weed out" the weak. The reality is that talented engineers don't have to take abuse, we have options. Our contributions are welcome and taken elsewhere. This is the type of behavior has made countless open source projects, mailing lists etc a cesspool. I can only imagine how much better linux would be if the people in charge hadn't spent years running off countless contributors.
The policy itself isn't perfect, but it's needed. You're engineers, work on it until it works and stop whining about SJWs, libtards, socialists (irony much?) and how whatever Boogeyman you imagine is coming to steal whatever it is you imagine you have to lose.
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It wasn't social justice warriors who committed the CoC. It was the project leader. The CoC has a proven track record in an important kernel tree. I think Linus is more likely to see how it goes rather than make quick substantial changes. He feels there is a need for big changes.
As for the list of specific anti-discrimination targets, every anti-discrimation law lists specific targets. Do our road laws simply say 'drive nice'? If Linus wanted a minimal change CoC he wouldn't have changed the CoC.
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I am tired of the constant aggressions from left-wing behaviour police. They simply cannot stand the idea of people sorting out their own problems. At least enforced appeal-to-authority has been kicked down the road for now with the removal of the board's adjudicating powers. Appealing to some board instead of handling your own conflicts is just more evidence of the infantilization of our culture (especially towards "oppressed groups" - they're treated like children who cannot do any wrong by the modern left).
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Originally posted by Kitty View PostWhen you have people in leadership positions telling contributors to kill themselves to make the gene pool better
That said, it's also not the end of the world, nor is it something done on a 'routine basis' as you claimed. It's reserved for particularly bad code being pushed by seasoned developers, I personally find it counterproductive to publically lambast someone, but I'm also not the person who has to fight a tidal wave of code submitted for inclusion every release cycle and who needs to be able to trust that those high in the developer chain actually vet the code before pushing it upstream.
Originally posted by Kitty View PostThe policy itself isn't perfect, but it's needed.
Originally posted by Kitty View PostYou're engineers, work on it until it works and stop whining about SJWs, libtards, socialists (irony much?)
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Originally posted by timrichardson View PostThe CoC has a proven track record in an important kernel tree.
Originally posted by timrichardson View PostIf Linus wanted a minimal change CoC he wouldn't have changed the CoC.
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Originally posted by Kitty View PostLove the comments. Agree or not, there's a behavior problem. When you have people in leadership positions telling contributors to kill themselves to make the gene pool better, that's kind of a "code smell." Telling someone to commit a sex act on someone of the same sex in response to a perceived professional inadequecy in a code review (actual verbiage is banned by content policy, use your imagination) is sophomoric at best, and not something most people want to deal with on a routine basis.
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Originally posted by dungeon View PostWith that patch, "a harassment-free experience for everyone, regardless of age, body size, disability, ethnicity, sex characteristics, gender identity and expression, level of experience, education, socio-economic status, nationality, personal appearance, race, religion, or sexual identity and orientation." would change to "a harassment-free experience for everyone."
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Originally posted by NotMine999 View Post
The entire effort to call out the "protected classes" under this CoC will very likely reveal some "corner case" class that was omitted. Then some public outcry will occur, possibly followed by one or more media events. In parallel a seemingly endless stream of emails on the subject will occur that will make the best "flame wars" fo 1990s USENET look like school spats.
These call outs of identity groups in these toxic SJW CoCs is meant to establish the Progressive Stack in the project.
The Progressive Stack places individuals into one or more groups that are ranked by how 'oppressed' they are. This is fundamental way that SJWs use CoCs as ideological weapons.
At one end of the Progressive Stack you have White Conservative Males - the oppressors.
At the other end of the Progressive Stack you have Black Trans Disabled Women - the oppressed.
CoC violations are only enforced on the 'oppressor' classes while oppressed group members are given free rein to engage in toxic and abusive behavior. 'Rules for Thee. Not for Me.'
This is why the vile Coraline Ada Ehmke is working on creating a SJW Star Chamber organization for open source projects. In other projects these back channel SJW Star Chambers act as little more than rubber stamps for SJW attacks on project members with wrong think. And toxic behavior by SJWs when reported is either sent to /dev/null or openly mocked.
The end game for these toxic SJWs like Coraline Ada Ehmke is getting paid to sit home all day combing open source projects with the power to kick any and all members they find guilty of wrong think. They don't care about the project. They don't care about the damage to the project. The project is nothing more than a host to be sucked dry for as long as possible. When it dies they will move on to something else - it doesn't matter gaming, movies, board gaming, open source - they are all host organizations with masses of Virtue Signaling White Knights who desperately want everyone to know how 'welcoming' and 'progressive' they are because it is 'current year' after all who gleefully hand over the keys to the project.
The only thing funny about these sickening attacks is these pathetic White Knights think they are immune from these attacks and that if they Virtue Signal the loudest that they are safe. Oh, how they howl in shock when the SJW mobs come for them...
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