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Originally posted by Kushan View PostWSL not good enough? Why not just spin up Ubuntu in a VM?
Originally posted by Kushan View Post"unusable" how?
Originally posted by Kushan View PostAnd? What's your point? It was a really minor annoyance that was easily dealt with by installing another text editor, yet they still went and fixed it. 20 years too late sure, but the point is that Microsoft from 20 years ago is a different beast.
Originally posted by Kushan View PostOkay there's two points here really. You don't want vendor lock-in? That's cool, that's why .net is now fully open source
Originally posted by Kushan View Post, that's why Windows has built-in support for containers,
Originally posted by Kushan View Postthat's why VS Code and SQL Data Studio are fully cross platform. VS Code is genuinely one of the best code editors out there and it's open-source and cross platform,
Originally posted by Kushan View Postbut hey because you don't have Office on Linux, that's a deal breaker? Fine, use Office Online on whatever browser you want.
Originally posted by Kushan View PostThe point is if you want, you can write whatever software you want for whatever platform you want on whatever platform you want. Don't want to run Windows? Great! Don't. You don't have to. Everything that matters these days works on any platform that matters. They've even invested heavily into Kubernetes, both in Windows and Azure. You can write a containerised app, chuck it on Azure then move it over to GCloud or AWS whenever you want and Microsoft is doing nothing to stop you.
Originally posted by Kushan View PostAs I mentioned above, you have VS Code, SQL Data Studio, etc. SQL Server now runs on Linux, asp.net runs on Linux, Microsoft's cloud devops platform allows you to run agents on Linux, Azure has 1st part support for Linux. What more do you want? Is it literally just office?Last edited by pal666; 04 October 2018, 07:59 PM.
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Originally posted by pal666 View Postwhy should i do that when i can just run fedora without windows?
The point is that you used to have less of a choice whereas now you can run whatever OS you want for most tasks.
I can run Linux and it has enough support to run the occasional windows app if I need. I can also run Windows and it has enoguh support to run the occasional Linux app, it's the best of both worlds and the choice is now largely with the user.
Originally posted by pal666 View Posti don't remember details, but screen output was garbled
Originally posted by pal666 View Postmy point is that it's one-line change, for thing broken for decades
Originally posted by pal666 View Postare you lying intentionally or you just believe in ms lies? only tiny part of .net is now open source
The .net framework is still a windows-specific and largely closed source, but it's basically in maintenance mode and all of the functionality within it that you care about is now part of .net core. The bits left over are Windows-specific, like Winforms, registry and that gubbins - and that still works on .net core, with the next release of .net core to allow even that functionality to run on it. There's basically no reason to use .net framework these days and even Microsoft says this.
For new desktop applications, we’ll guide everyone to start with .NET Core 3.
.NET Core repos typically use either the MIT or Apache 2 licenses for code. Some projects license documentation and other forms of content under Creative Commons Attribution 4.0.Originally posted by pal666 View Postno, that's the other way around. containers are needed to run more software on windows, not to run ms software on other platforms
Originally posted by pal666 View Postlol why you are touting vs code but ignoring vs itself? nobody uses editors for developing real software.
However you're right, full-fat VS is still Windows only. Well, there's VS For Mac but let's ignore that. We're talking about vendor lock-in here. You don't have to use VS, as stated you can use VS code to do all your .net development if you want. In fact, you don't even need VS Code - the dotnet CLI works cross platform and is basically all you need - use whatever editor or IDE you fancy. Again - no vendor lock in.
Originally posted by pal666 View Postit can't replace ms office, otherwise ms would discontinue msoffice
yes, they have monopoly only on desktop, so they have no choice but support most used operating system(linux) on azure, otherwise they wouldn't have customers. but on desktop they have monopoly and that is because of vendor lock-in and msoffice is large part of that. you can have msoffice on android where ms lost competition, but you can't have it on desktop linux where ms still abuses its monopoly
Originally posted by pal666 View Postlol not. i developed windows software but i never used any app from your list. i used visual studio, that is how you develop software on windows. and
Originally posted by pal666 View Postbtw sql server is server app where ms again does not have monopoly, so has nothing to lose.
At the end of the day, you can develop .net applications, extremely performant, productive, scalable and cross-platform apps using any OS and IDE you want, using any database you want - including SQL Server, but also MySQL/Maria, SQLLite, etc. and host it wherever you want.
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