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  • #31
    Originally posted by tessio View Post

    Snowflake can't handle some words, hum?
    Responding to a troll, obviously, but it's not the specific words, but the mindset of the individuals involved. Once SJW's infect a project, it's all downhill from there.

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    • #32
      Quality of Kwin on Xorg wasn't really satisfying, bugs didn't get fixed...

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      • #33
        Originally posted by sa666666 View Post

        Responding to a troll, obviously, but it's not the specific words, but the mindset of the individuals involved. Once SJW's infect a project, it's all downhill from there.
        Heavily involved in the project; cannot confirm. KDE is a place to produce amazing software, not a vehicle for contemporary politics. It just doesn't come up.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Fuchs View Post
          My best guesses would be https://phabricator.kde.org/D12732 and https://phabricator.kde.org/D12795 given security was mentioned, and potentially, given the timing, https://phabricator.kde.org/T8707 with https://phabricator.kde.org/D13276, but that's guesses, there might be more and others.
          Thanks for the links. I think they answer my question pretty well.

          I for one find it irritating when Dolphin doesn't/didn't have root access, and I think a warning is plenty sufficient (even if it's an annoying one that you can't get rid of). I understand his concerns, but I don't think he's weighing the situation correctly - pretty much the only people using Dolphin under root are people who own the PC in the first place, and know what they're doing. A hacker is going to use command-line tools, and someone who doesn't own the PC won't (or shouldn't) know the root password. His rambling about catering to every user's wish sounds more like a scapegoat to deliberate negligence; you have to go out of your way to prevent a program from running in root, so he's not just denying what users request, he's going against it (and from what I can tell, partially out of spite). I don't disagree with the security issues, but he's taking it a little too seriously.

          As for the window border thing, I don't get what the advantage is of Martin's proposal, and I think he's blowing the situation way out of proportion. From what I can tell, it seems he's mostly just upset over VDG stepping on his turf, and he's being deliberately difficult as a result. Kind of irritating, since it seems that resulted in requesting to remove borders, which I'm not fond of.


          Perhaps VDG isn't doing their job correctly, but I also think his bureaucracy is counter-productive.
          Last edited by schmidtbag; 06-04-2018, 10:16 AM.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by sa666666 View Post
            Responding to a troll, obviously, but it's not the specific words, but the mindset of the individuals involved. Once SJW's infect a project, it's all downhill from there.
            I wrote the paragraph you're unhappy with. I referenced white privilege as an example of people taking for granted and not noticing how entrenched they are, which is easy to do because our individual view on the history of institutions tends to be short-sighted. I still think it's a useful metaphor in context of the argument you elided, and I'm perfectly willing to defend it.

            I think you're having a knee-jerk reaction to other people, not me. I live in South Korea, my perspective on these subjects is probably a little bit different and more hands-on than the "SJWs" you're thinking of.

            And for the record, I've been a KDE user for about 20 years and contributed for 14. I'm not very recent infection.
            Last edited by Sho_; 06-04-2018, 10:19 AM.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by aufkrawall View Post
              Quality of Kwin on Xorg wasn't really satisfying, bugs didn't get fixed...

              Hmmm...
              Martins rather exuberant hatred of Nvidia and dislike of "obsolete technologies", like X, were not ideal...
              A more neutral developer (or set of developers) would be a pleasant change.
              But sadly we're loosing Martin's expertise... Hopefuly KWin won't be hit by a bus now...

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              • #37
                Originally posted by bobwya View Post
                But sadly we're loosing Martin's expertise... Hopefuly KWin won't be hit by a bus now...
                You and many others are missing that he is not leaving KWin. They can still talk with him and he will still write code. I understood from the message that he hadn't been doing all the things he probably should have been like reviewing patches due to lack of motivation so it's probably better that KWin has people that want to do these things.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Sho_ View Post
                  This is completely false information, and I am flabbergasted how this editorial mistake could arise.
                  Yeah, how could it… your mail https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/plasm...ne/086122.html just has "Stepping down as maintainer" as headline…

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post

                    Yeah, how could it… your mail https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/plasm...ne/086122.html just has "Stepping down as maintainer" as headline…
                    Please tell me this was sarcasm.

                    That's how mailing lists work, rest assured that at least some clients will break if you alter the subject.
                    With that logic everybody replying to that thread would be stepping down as a maintainer.

                    And from a "news outlet", even a one man show like phoronix, I expect a bit more research than just reading mail subjects before handing out false news that are quite the opposite of what actually happened. At least it was corrected quickly.

                    kr

                    Fuchs

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by SpyroRyder View Post
                      Then again sometimes even security changes should have more discussion before becoming final, like with the recent furore around Nautilus's ability to execute files.
                      Believe it or not, but the GNOME Team actually listened to the users for once and restored said functionality: https://news.softpedia.com/news/look...s-521222.shtml

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