One Of LLVM's Top Contributors Quits Development Over CoC, Outreach Program

[LubosD]

The LLVM COC tolerates both racism and sexism as long as they are committed against a white male.

From the LLVM COC:

Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort. We will not act on complaints regarding:

• ‘Reverse’ -isms, including ‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia’
• Reasonable communication of boundaries, such as “leave me alone,” “go away,” or “I’m not discussing this with you”
• Refusal to explain or debate social justice concepts
• Communicating in a ‘tone’ you don’t find congenial
• Criticizing racist, sexist, cissexist, or otherwise oppressive behavior or assumptions

THIS. This is the problem. I'd also dislike working in a community where racism against white people is tolerated or even promoted.

[audir8]

This thread perfectly points out why such a CoC is needed: http://todogroup.org/opencodeofconduct/

LLVM is perfectly within it's rights to do what they did, any community is. End of story. You don't like it, go fuck yourself.

[geearf]

The LLVM COC tolerates both racism and sexism as long as they are committed against a white male.

From the LLVM COC:



Furthermore LLVM has partnered with Outreachy. A program that uses racist and sexist selection criteria to choose who gets to intern. White males need not apply.

Where do you see that?
I see no such thing in https://llvm.org/docs/CodeOfConduct.html

[bridgman]

Where do you see that?
I see no such thing in https://llvm.org/docs/CodeOfConduct.html

I thought it might be in the reporting guide (separate page) but didn't see it there either. That said, the text does appear in a number of other "Code of Conduct" pages (not LLVM) although most of them seem to trace back to the TODO page mentioned above.

So far I think the "definitive post" award on this topic goes to Terrablit:

https://www.phoronix.com/forums/foru...80#post1022480

In principle a Code of Conduct is not only fine but an obvious requirement. The downside is that "as implemented" it usually involves moving discussion of appropriate behaviour from public to private, and empowers people who have extreme views of what is and is not appropriate.

[Exentio]

By far, the smartest (actually, the only ones worth considering) replies to the thread were #25 and #30. Can someone explain me why should we care about politics, gender, religion and other stuff when we're talking about a community that works on a software? I mean, I may not share your beliefs, but I'll respect them, the problem is that a community like LLVM is not the right place, because it's a totally different context. You're free to talk about this and complain about people that doesn't care about your views on Twitter, Facebook, and whatever, but you're complaining that a software development community only cares about software development. I just signed up to this forum, should I rant because nobody asked about my personal issues? No, because it's not the right context.
"But that doesn't mean that people that likes to work together shouldn't talk about this!" - right, but you can "meet" them in an off-topic section or a chat (I don't know what's the structure of the community) and keep software development and personal relationships separate. If you decide anyway to leave for any reason, fine, do it; but don't blame others. You may be leaving the community too, but you're especially abandoning a project that you supported.
You're just calling out sins on both sides, but in the end you've agreed on nothing, and neither did you prove anyone wrong. Can you just stop screaming at SJWs and White Nationalists? You even mentioned Trump, are your for real? It's time to grow up, seriously, I'm scolding grown ups when I'm just 19.

Tl;dr: consider the context before complaining about other people's lack of interest towards your person

[FireBurn]

Sounds like he's a bit of a snowflake

[Aleksei]

From https://www.outreachy.org/apply/eligibility/ :

You must meet one of the following criteria:

• You live any where in the world and you identify as a woman (cis or trans), trans man, or genderqueer person (including genderfluid or genderfree).
• You live in the United States or you are a U.S. national or permanent resident living aboard, AND you are a person of any gender who is Black/African American, Hispanic/Latin@, Native American/American Indian, Alaska Native, Native Hawaiian, or Pacific Islander

From LLVM mailing list https://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llv...ry/121161.html :

Interns are paid a stipend of $5,500 for a three month internship. The internship is completely remote, and interns come from around the world. Interns work one-on-one with a mentor from Free and Open Source Software (FOSS) communities. The internship projects range from programming, user experience, documentation, illustration and graphical design, to data science. Interns have $500 travel stipend available to use to attend tech events. Many interns use the travel stipend to network and find a job. Interns often find employment after their internship with Outreachy sponsors or in jobs that use the skills they learned during their internship.

Here's the picture I'm getting: a white male has to pull himself by the bootstraps, while a woman (no other qualifications indicated, but let's generously assume the same technical skill level) gets $5500 + $500 + free mentor for 3 months because she has a cunt. What could this encourage in women/trans/minorities/etc other than "PEOPLE OWE ME FREE STUFF" attitude?

[Luke_Wolf]

I think you have to look back decades to find a this insanity. It didn't necessarily start with Eric Raymond, but he is particularly noted in starting this mean spirited "libertarian" drift in the Free software movement.

The article answers his own question. Quitting the FSF over political direction and hating copyleft should be an indication to political lean. While I do not dislike LLVM overall, there is a section of people who are promoting LLVM for solely political reasons, and that is because they can't stand the soft SocDem do-gooderness of the GPL, and not any technical merrit of either project.

Am I the only one that finds it hilarious that the SJWs are condeming libertarianism while praising a bunch of communists? It says a hell of a lot that you people want to condemn those who's whole schtick is basically about making government uphold civil liberties and some basic moral standards (Do not kill, do not steal, etc...) regardless of whether you agree with them, while upholding the out and out socialists who support a political philosophy that is responsible for over 100 million deaths, abject poverty and starvation, and numerous oppressive totalitarian regimes around the world... but oh oh right "That wasn't real socialism" and hey obviously it's those libertarians that are the bad guys right?

[onicsis]

It seems these CoCs or programs like Outreach where created for some so they can cheat the tests, exams get behind the others, to reach positions (or values - money) they don't deserve it.

[Guest]

This outreach bullshit is discriminating people. If you put something like outreach it means you're accusing normal people of being sexists and others being some kind of losers who can't compete against normal persons. Yes, I don't consider lgtb to be normal. They're sick, but if they want to work on some projects they're free to do so. I won't attack them or discriminate till they keep their bullshit ideology away from me. All of this stupidity is driven by jews and it's a fact. It started with French Revolution where jews played a huge role. However, it's one part of the story, because if there were no Catholic domination people would find some better solution rather than killing monarchs, elites and ruining Europe. No-no choice is common practice in this world.

Ps. where are the FreeBSD fanboys now? Why aren't they fighting for freedom of their favorite project? Outreach is like a cancer that spreads on other Open Source projects as well. Do you see this in proprietary? No? Better look at some of the Open Source 'sponsors'. Yes MS, I 'love' you.