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  • kpedersen
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2012
    • 2708

    #11
    Competition from (relative) newcomers like Wayland is exactly the sort of thing that gave Xorg a prod to keep awake. Pro-wayland or not, this process is still a good thing.

    If only competition like this still worked in the commercial world :/
    Last edited by kpedersen; 01 January 2025, 04:44 PM.

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    • Britoid
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2013
      • 2167

      #12
      Originally posted by dylanmtaylor View Post
      If Enrico Weigelt wants to maintain the Xorg server, that's cool with me. More power to them. Tis the open source way. I still think Wayland is the future but choices are good.
      Wayland is the 'current', not the future.

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      • Artim
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2020
        • 1259

        #13
        Originally posted by Weasel View Post
        For the Wayland kids, I'm just semi memeing btw. But Wayland is still useless and crippled for power users. And Arcan isn't there yet, so X11 is the only thing available.
        And again with the insufferable lies of people that haven't even used Wayland in a decade. Pathetic.

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        • Artim
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2020
          • 1259

          #14
          Originally posted by dylanmtaylor View Post
          If Enrico Weigelt wants to maintain the Xorg server, that's cool with me. More power to them. Tis the open source way. I still think Wayland is the future but choices are good.
          He doesn't maintain shit, he's just a clonically insane and a Covid denialing asshole making a project that has been abandoned way over a decade ago look alive. You can bet your ass that even he won't be able to get Xorg in a position where it could ever again compete with Wayland. Wayland is the present and future, nothing else comes even close to that level of support and quality. And a single moron won't change that.

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          • Artim
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2020
            • 1259

            #15
            Originally posted by Weasel View Post
            Mad respect to Enrico for perfecting the perfection.
            X is a steaming pile of unmaintainable and historically grown garbage. The last time it was even close to being "perfect" was back in the 80s. We are writing the year 2025, while your calendar must still be showing 1985. Get a grip on reality.

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            • Espionage724
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2024
              • 356

              #16
              I can still reproduce a slower/inconsistent mouse GNOME 47 Wayland vs Xorg and Windows with a cheap 1000Hz mouse. Not sure how anyone tolerated that prior to GNOME 42 unless ya'll have 125Hz office mice

              If you want to test: Any GNOME, and a $30 Corsair HARPOON RGB mouse from Walmart (Pro and non-Pro). I had that for 7 years, know all about Wayland during that period, and am on GNOME 47 Xorg now.

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              • rabcor
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2013
                • 1367

                #17
                Originally posted by dylanmtaylor View Post
                If Enrico Weigelt wants to maintain the Xorg server, that's cool with me. More power to them. Tis the open source way. I still think Wayland is the future but choices are good.
                Wayland's been supposed to be the future since 2008, that's longer than the time X had existed at that point btw.

                If there is anything that has been demonstrably proven, it's that Wayland is not the future, and never will be. Arcan will be ready before Wayland truly is, even if it's devlopment is super slow, it at least meaningfully progresses at all. But I wouldn't be all that surprised if a third new alternative display server pops up out of nowhere and beats them both. I wouldn't be surprised at all.

                All it'd really take, is one dedicated guy determined to rewrite X11 up to modern standards with backwards compatibility to the current X. That would seal the deal. Wayland go bye bye. Arcan would probably still truck on though.

                Originally posted by Artim View Post

                And again with the insufferable lies of people that haven't even used Wayland in a decade. Pathetic.
                I use wayland, I think hyprland is pretty good. It also sometimes happens that programs don't work and I have to switch ttys and hop over to i3 to run them because wayland is a piece of broken garbage under the hood.

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                • dragon321
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2016
                  • 873

                  #18
                  Originally posted by rabcor View Post
                  Wayland's been supposed to be the future since 2008, that's longer than the time X had existed at that point btw.
                  ​​

                  No, Wayland started in 2008, protocol wasn't stable until 2012. Some desktop extensions came even later. And no, that isn't longer than the time X existed at that point. X in 2008 was 24 years old, Wayland started 16 years ago.

                  Originally posted by rabcor View Post
                  If there is anything that has been demonstrably proven, it's that Wayland is not the future, and never will be.
                  ​​​

                  By whom? Some people complaining on forums that their X11 scripts for moving windows doesn't work on Wayland? In reality desktops are progressing with Wayland support, distributions are using Wayland by default and some are even discussing about removing X11 session. This is not enough proof?

                  Originally posted by rabcor View Post
                  Arcan will be ready before Wayland truly is, even if it's devlopment is super slow, it at least meaningfully progresses at all.
                  ​​

                  Yeah, few years in development and still no usable result. It's quite funny how some people can hate Wayland because "it's been in development in years and it's still not usable" and root for Arcan that's been years in development and it's still not usable.

                  Originally posted by rabcor View Post
                  But I wouldn't be all that surprised if a third new alternative display server pops up out of nowhere and beats them both. I wouldn't be surprised at all.
                  ​​​

                  So another standard that is supposed to fix issues of existing standards? Yeah, I'm sure it will.

                  Originally posted by rabcor View Post
                  All it'd really take, is one dedicated guy determined to rewrite X11 up to modern standards with backwards compatibility to the current X. That would seal the deal. Wayland go bye bye. Arcan would probably still truck on though.


                  If something like that would be possible then X11 developers would done it years ago instead of moving to Wayland. You can't fix X11 issues and keep backwards compatibility. That's impossible because X11 issues are part of the protocol and if you want to fix them you need to change protocol and that would, yes you guessed it, break backwards compatibility. That dedicated guy you are waiting for simply doesn't exist.

                  As for the guy I don't think he is going to fix X11 fundamental issues and his work will be limited to maintenance but at least he is doing something instead of complaining about Wayland on forums.
                  Last edited by dragon321; 02 January 2025, 06:57 PM.

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                  • isaacx123
                    Junior Member
                    • Nov 2020
                    • 29

                    #19
                    Originally posted by Artim View Post

                    X is a steaming pile of unmaintainable and historically grown garbage. The last time it was even close to being "perfect" was back in the 80s. We are writing the year 2025, while your calendar must still be showing 1985. Get a grip on reality.
                    Then how about the wayland devs hurry up and actually reach feature parity with the "steaming pile of unmaintainable and historically grown garbage" instead of their 24/7 backpedaling circlejerk NACK fest that never solves anything after hundreds of comments for every protocol proposal? Something as basic as color management is still pending for merging after 4 years, maybe Valve with their experimental-protocols proposal will actually push wayland to reach feature parity with X11 before the decade ends, and even then I still doubt it, remember when wayland was supposed to be ready by 2014 (a decade ago) 🤣🤣🤣, what a fucking joke.

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                    • dragon321
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2016
                      • 873

                      #20
                      Originally posted by isaacx123 View Post

                      Then how about the wayland devs hurry up and actually reach feature parity
                      Except they are not. Wayland is not supposed to reach feature parity with X11. And that's a good thing. Wayland don't need that bloat.

                      Originally posted by isaacx123 View Post

                      Something as basic as color management


                      How's HDR in Xorg? X11 is 40 years old and can't even support something as basic as HDR? What a joke.

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