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  • higgslagrangian
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    Originally posted by andyprough View Post

    Naive about what? Someone in a position to have that conversation with wayland devs said on a publicly aired broadcast that the wayland devs explicitly said "not ready for production systems", "should not be the default for any distros". If it bothers you so much go talk to some wayland devs yourself. If they're saying it to one person they are probably saying it to lots of people.
    So, remember this discussion we had only a month ago? Perhaps read more recent Phoronix news: RHEL is dropping Xorg.

    "Wayland isn't ready" my ass.

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  • Danny3
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    Originally posted by Brittle2 View Post

    they care, they just didn't jump on the wayland boat because it didn't fit their need, but that quote was 2 years ago, before issues with wayland being too minimalistic and portais,wlroots got fixes and improvements, and they was never against merge request for wayland fixes, or implementing waylabd etc, btw they are talking about supporting wayland, it is in linux mint blog
    Yeah, I'm sure of it...
    I mean on a scale from 1 to then they care at level 1.
    I saw the blog blost where they say that they might look into it, consider it, whatever.
    But seeing how much it took Gnome and KDE Plasma to develop good support for it, all I can say it's too little, too late!
    I don't know who in their right mind wants to wait for probably 2030 when they will probably be able to have some good enough implementation, even though 7 years is really best case scenario.

    But, who cares, at the end, it's their users who allowed them to provide no DE with Wayland support and not have any kind of critique or loss of users.
    They wanted mediocrity and promises of a brighter future and they got that!

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  • finalzone
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    Originally posted by Panix View Post

    Wayland still doesn't work after 15 years - maybe it'll work in a few decades.
    Wayland protocol is already in use on major distributions including Fedora and even Ubuntu. It is in use of device notably TV, mobilrs, automototive and even enterprise distributions. As pointed out, major desktop environment are migrating to that protocol while removing the forty years old Xserver which no longer fit in modern environment.

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  • MorrisS.
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    Originally posted by Panix View Post

    Wayland still doesn't work after 15 years - maybe it'll work in a few decades.
    Developers have begun to integrate Wayland in the last 3/4 years. To integrate Wayland involves all the operating system, drivers, compositors, rendering, synchronization, framework, APIs/graphical stack, hardware and so on. It's a big change. PLASMA 6 will be Wayland capable since the 2024. Talking just about Wayland is a limitation. Wayland on its own means nothing.
    By Wayland it is possible to affirm that a new way of Linux operating system is meant to be that is an epochal change.
    As far as me linux desktop begins with Wayland. The past is just an attempt.
    After Xorg, Opengl is the first software to deprecate as soon as possible.
    Last edited by MorrisS.; 07 October 2023, 10:28 AM.

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  • coatlessali
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    The desktop Linux userbase, through it's 100% black/white view of all problems, never ceases to make me want to dump all of my electronics and go be Amish in a field somewhere. Never change, y'all.

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  • higgslagrangian
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    Originally posted by Panix View Post

    Wayland still doesn't work after 15 years - maybe it'll work in a few decades.
    What an idiotic response.

    What have I been using, then?

    If it doesn't work for you, I guess you are dumb enough to not get default Ubuntu working. Keep it up, chump. Maybe you use Nvidia, that's on you.

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  • Panix
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    Originally posted by higgslagrangian View Post

    Oh, sure they are. I guess Debian, Fedora, Ubuntu, etc. (all the minor league players, you know?) will stop defaulting to Wayland after YEARS, because of some hear-say.

    But since you tell me that it's not ready for production, I guess I'll stop using it after 6 (!) years in freaking production. Thanks for letting me know!
    Wayland still doesn't work after 15 years - maybe it'll work in a few decades.

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  • Weasel
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    Originally posted by ssokolow View Post
    It just took a while because the initial implementors severely underestimated how used the feature was and how unwilling people would be to part with it.
    Oh that's far from the only thing those clowns severely underestimated.

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  • Weasel
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    Originally posted by Volta View Post
    This is how certified clown looks like. You've just proved you have nothing common with serious business. Go, play some minecraft and stop spreading bullshit about security. Shit hole called xorg is enough for minecraft. If you're offline of course.
    You've literally just proven how much of a certified clown you are.

    Show me ONE such issue from a "serious business" running Xorg in the wild (which is the majority, especially in scientific workloads, keep coping clown). Surely there's one in 30 years of this bug existing?

    We get actual work done. You wouldn't know that, because I already know you're not a professional. You just preach bullshit. Go play with toys, that's your spot after all.
    Last edited by Weasel; 06 October 2023, 08:35 AM.

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  • drastic
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    The real security issue on X11 is that one application can sniff the input events of another application. But that is by design, so it must be a feature. I mean, it is much easier to implement global shortcuts that way, so imagine all the developer-hours saved by this feature.

    The input sniffing bug can't be fixed, no matter how many eyeballs are looking. It's just a great design. I'm not saying Wayland is any better or worse.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm still on Xorg. It doesn't mean that what I use is perfect. Both Wayland and X11 miss a lot of stuff to get somewhere somewhat close to perfection.

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