Asahi Linux To Users: Please Stop Using X.Org

[Quackdoc]

dang, I was kind of looking towards getting a used macbook for asahi, guess ill be not doing so

[ayumu]

I will continue to ignore Apple's offerings. I am optimistic a range of RISC-V options will be available as early as 2024.

In any event, I can hold onto my Zen+ thinkpad until I can upgrade to RISC-V.

[sophisticles]

There's a pretty sizable gap between the M2 Max's GPU and an Intel iGPU. Benchmarks put it at around RX 6700s's performance.

A laptop with a M2 Max costs $3500:

https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/16-inch-space-gray-apple-m2-max-with-12-core-cpu-and-38-core-gpu-1tb

With $2100 I can buy both of these, one for Linux and one for Windows:

https://www.microcenter.com/product/662555/msi-katana-15-b13vek-277us-156-gaming-laptop-computer-platinum-collection-black

https://www.microcenter.com/product/663007/asus-tuf-gaming-a15-fa507xu-ms94-156-laptop-computer-platinum-collection-gray

And once again, by putting Asahi on the Mac, you lose access to what may to some be worth the extra money, namely the hardware accelerators.

[sindex]

I've tried Wayland again recently with GNOME. There are still many issues, the main ones are:

• Input latency, especially noticeable while gaming because of forced VSync
• GNOME specific: The session is lost after a crash. A big issue when doing serious work. And GNOME isn't always that stable either. There was a bug for some versions that has since been fixed, where the shell would crash when clearing the app menu search box by clicking, laughable. Had I been on Wayland, I'd have lost everything not saved on disk. GNOME developers don't even talk about this, mostly, because, they know a rewrite is needed to fix it properly, a huge undertaking.
• Color Management

Less significant:

• GNOME specific: Server-side decorations (xdg-decoration), again they know it's a lot of work, so they just ignore the issue
• GNOME specific: Inhibit (e.g. screen blanking while watching a video), (zwp_idle_inhibit_manager_v1 protocol)
• Many more…

[qarium]

Wayland is not broken, kde is.

Every internet argument around wayland would be more far less toxic if everyone could just accept this fact.

But hey, dragging everyone down in linux desktop is the job of kde fans I guess 🍷🍷

right KDE/QT is a Hostil enemy i did quit KDE after i did get to know about CLA-WAR and also their evil doing in include trojan horse functions to autostart files from a folder from a usb stick you pluck in in.. they used this function to install trojan horse on me computer.

so really FUCK YOU KDE/QT

[Venemo]

I just came here to say that I'm very proud of the Asahi Linux developers for daring to voice this opinion.

[Weasel]

I've been using sway since 1.0 alpha, and everything I want works with wayland, as of today.

You're using a tiling WM. Your opinion and experience is null and invalid.

[rogerx]

Not my/our fault X11/Xorg just works!

Anyways systemd/puleaudio/wayland users, stop complaining... this is Unix/Linux and not Windows!


Funny how our Linux software just works, until somebody starts wanting Linux to be more like Windows.

[vivnet]

Perhaps people with poor Wayland experiences are running older releases? Nvidia graphics?
I noticed that the experience is much better, as in completely stable, smoother, and all-around-fundamentally better by design than using Xorg.
When using recent releases.

Install RHEL on this same computer and I have to use Gnome because the available release of KDE in EPEL is awful on Wayland and released nearly a year ago.
Now my workstation behaves like a tablet and at that point I don't have the ideological desire to argue against Xorg: I have work to do. (Solved in 9.2 w/EPELNext)

My point is, when you have new technology under active development and you're sitting on an iteration 12 months in the past, perhaps we should consider the use case of our system and adjust our expectations before we so boldly proclaim that "its ass". Do I want my personal-for-fun system to run Ubuntu 20.04 and expect that its KDE Wayland experience be amazing? Do I want my development workstation to be running the bleeding-est-edge software imaginable and expect that it be completely stable?

KDE is fantastic on Wayland at (at least) 5.27.x. Wayland is the future. Let X11 die the death it deserves.

I am actively using pure Wayland/KDE/GDM environments on all my graphical systems and the experience is more pleasurable overall than X11 has ever been.

And, it's open source! If it's ass, fix it!

[karolherbst]

I just came here to say that I'm very proud of the Asahi Linux developers for daring to voice this opinion.

all hail the 🦀