Asahi Linux To Users: Please Stop Using X.Org

[Quackdoc]

What would maintaining it look like? Unlike Wayland, the Xorg X11 server does not really need feature work, so the rate of patching does not need to be as high.

I wonder if you were to walk back from corporate, since it is clearly and understandably unsuitable for them, and focus on maintaining it to a degree acceptable for desktop use, how viable that might be

[pidloop]

Sure X11 is big but it's also robust. I've been writing intensive scientific visualization applications in Motif since the 1990s. I've never found X11 wanting for functionality I needed and it's super portable and stable. I went to a talk by Høgsberg back around 2012 and kept asking him if Wayland would support this or that and he always answered "no because I don't need that". I got the feeling Wayland was just about faster games, nothing else mattered to him. A decade later and my features are still not there, so I guess it's still just for games. Wow, I should be impressed?

[osw89]

Wayland is not broken, kde is.

Every internet argument around wayland would be more far less toxic if everyone could just accept this fact.

But hey, dragging everyone down in linux desktop is the job of kde fans I guess 🍷🍷

The only flaw of KDE is attracting people like you who tend to talk about things they are clueless about or do not use. I have been using KDE wayland on both my desktop(two monitors with mixed refresh rate and VRR capability) and laptop for well over a year now. It has no issues running regular linux programs via xwayland, weird proprietary non-wayland stuff such as vivado, vitis, innovus, etc., and games via wine. The only major issue I had was zoom not supporting screen sharing on wayland but that got fixed months ago. I'm quite eager to hear how it doesn't work or is broken because either you are making stuff up or I have a personal magic copy working copy of KDE that nobody else has.

[osw89]

what would you add that is not already there?

It can't do VRR if you have multiple monitors and not all your monitors support VRR.

[Magissia]

When global hotkeys and macro will work I'll switch to Wayland, until then, it is a productivity regression for me.

[Quackdoc]

The only flaw of KDE is attracting people like you who tend to talk about things they are clueless about or do not use. I have been using KDE wayland on both my desktop(two monitors with mixed refresh rate and VRR capability) and laptop for well over a year now. It has no issues running regular linux programs via xwayland, weird proprietary non-wayland stuff such as vivado, vitis, innovus, etc., and games via wine. The only major issue I had was zoom not supporting screen sharing on wayland but that got fixed months ago. I'm quite eager to hear how it doesn't work or is broken because either you are making stuff up or I have a personal magic copy working copy of KDE that nobody else has.

"works for me so it works for thee". gotta love phoronix, I don't have any breaking bugs so no one else does either!

[Damian]

If Wayland was such a good specification, xorg would be past for years.
Why Windows and Mac do not have these stupid issues..?

Windows has had similar problems... GDI, GDI+, Direct2D, DirectX, OpenGL, Modern OpenGL.

I used to develop/maintain a GIS library. Management fell for Direct2D and forced us to move from GDI to Direct2D without any checking of the hype. It had really krap performance. We ended up going with modern OpenGL after a long and protracted argument over a year with management with a least one saying we were sabotaging the project.

[SSJBurger]

The only flaw of KDE is attracting people like you who tend to talk about things they are clueless about or do not use. I have been using KDE wayland on both my desktop(two monitors with mixed refresh rate and VRR capability) and laptop for well over a year now. It has no issues running regular linux programs via xwayland, weird proprietary non-wayland stuff such as vivado, vitis, innovus, etc., and games via wine. The only major issue I had was zoom not supporting screen sharing on wayland but that got fixed months ago. I'm quite eager to hear how it doesn't work or is broken because either you are making stuff up or I have a personal magic copy working copy of KDE that nobody else has.

Just ignore him man. He is the most hardcore GNOME fan.. or maybe hardcore Anti KDE fan. If you look at his history the man spends his days seeking for any thread mentioning an issue he can relate to KDE so he can jump on it.. He is like the cancel culture / Karren of KDE Hate

[andyprough]

What this reminds me most of is the old debate over pulseaudio. And that debate died very quickly when pipewire came along.

I wonder how long it will be until there is a kind of pipewire for a new display server protocol that will replace Wayland. Successful projects do not take 15+ years to achieve maturity and adoption, and Wayland appears to be headed to 30+ years at this pace.

[RejectModernity]

What this reminds me most of is the old debate over pulseaudio. And that debate died very quickly when pipewire came along.

I wonder how long it will be until there is a kind of pipewire for a new display server protocol that will replace Wayland. Successful projects do not take 15+ years to achieve maturity and adoption, and Wayland appears to be headed to 30+ years at this pace.

Display server is way more complex than audio. And even pipewire took 6 years to be what it is today. And yes. Wayland is ready to replace old broken garbage that x11 is.