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  • Originally posted by DMJC View Post
    I might get ChatGPT6 to do it for me.
    That's so ridiculously optimistic. If it were that easy then the MATE devs would do it and they'd already start using the current version of it (4?) to help out if it were even close to that potential.

    Originally posted by DMJC View Post
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    But 1. I shouldn't have to and 2. MATE has Wayland in their roadmap, so this is more about distros getting ahead of themselves and being arrogant.
    You're correct. You shouldn't need to do it but that shouldn't be on the Wayland devs either. Just because someone decided to make their own DE or fork of one doesn't mean that it's on the other teams to maintain them on behalf of the DE devs.

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    Also, I could care less what Redhat does/doesn't do.
    What does Redhat have to do with any of this? I have a feeling I know what you're gonna say but I'm asking anyway.

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    • Originally posted by Beryesa View Post
      Well, you realize Wayland was made by Xorg devs who's fed up with it, right?
      Yes. But instead of taking a clean slate and fixing the problems of the Xserver design, these devs built an entire specification designed to do the opposite of what Xserver does, even when Xserver does some of those things very well.
      Change is inevitable; progress is not.

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      • Originally posted by ryao View Post

        What would maintaining it look like? Unlike Wayland, the Xorg X11 server does not really need feature work, so the rate of patching does not need to be as high.
        I wonder if you were to walk back from corporate, since it is clearly and understandably unsuitable for them, and focus on maintaining it to a degree acceptable for desktop use, how viable that might be

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        • Sure X11 is big but it's also robust. I've been writing intensive scientific visualization applications in Motif since the 1990s. I've never found X11 wanting for functionality I needed and it's super portable and stable. I went to a talk by Høgsberg back around 2012 and kept asking him if Wayland would support this or that and he always answered "no because I don't need that". I got the feeling Wayland was just about faster games, nothing else mattered to him. A decade later and my features are still not there, so I guess it's still just for games. Wow, I should be impressed?

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          • Originally posted by mirmirmir View Post
            Wayland is not broken, kde is.

            Every internet argument around wayland would be more far less toxic if everyone could just accept this fact.

            But hey, dragging everyone down in linux desktop is the job of kde fans I guess 🍷🍷
            The only flaw of KDE is attracting people like you who tend to talk about things they are clueless about or do not use. I have been using KDE wayland on both my desktop(two monitors with mixed refresh rate and VRR capability) and laptop for well over a year now. It has no issues running regular linux programs via xwayland, weird proprietary non-wayland stuff such as vivado, vitis, innovus, etc., and games via wine. The only major issue I had was zoom not supporting screen sharing on wayland but that got fixed months ago. I'm quite eager to hear how it doesn't work or is broken because either you are making stuff up or I have a personal magic copy working copy of KDE that nobody else has.

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            • Originally posted by ryao View Post
              what would you add that is not already there?
              It can't do VRR if you have multiple monitors and not all your monitors support VRR.

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              • When global hotkeys and macro will work I'll switch to Wayland, until then, it is a productivity regression for me.

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                • Originally posted by osw89 View Post

                  The only flaw of KDE is attracting people like you who tend to talk about things they are clueless about or do not use. I have been using KDE wayland on both my desktop(two monitors with mixed refresh rate and VRR capability) and laptop for well over a year now. It has no issues running regular linux programs via xwayland, weird proprietary non-wayland stuff such as vivado, vitis, innovus, etc., and games via wine. The only major issue I had was zoom not supporting screen sharing on wayland but that got fixed months ago. I'm quite eager to hear how it doesn't work or is broken because either you are making stuff up or I have a personal magic copy working copy of KDE that nobody else has.
                  "works for me so it works for thee". gotta love phoronix, I don't have any breaking bugs so no one else does either!

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                  • Originally posted by rmfx View Post
                    If Wayland was such a good specification, xorg would be past for years.
                    Why Windows and Mac do not have these stupid issues..?
                    Windows has had similar problems... GDI, GDI+, Direct2D, DirectX, OpenGL, Modern OpenGL.

                    I used to develop/maintain a GIS library. Management fell for Direct2D and forced us to move from GDI to Direct2D without any checking of the hype. It had really krap performance. We ended up going with modern OpenGL after a long and protracted argument over a year with management with a least one saying we were sabotaging the project.

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                    • Originally posted by osw89 View Post

                      The only flaw of KDE is attracting people like you who tend to talk about things they are clueless about or do not use. I have been using KDE wayland on both my desktop(two monitors with mixed refresh rate and VRR capability) and laptop for well over a year now. It has no issues running regular linux programs via xwayland, weird proprietary non-wayland stuff such as vivado, vitis, innovus, etc., and games via wine. The only major issue I had was zoom not supporting screen sharing on wayland but that got fixed months ago. I'm quite eager to hear how it doesn't work or is broken because either you are making stuff up or I have a personal magic copy working copy of KDE that nobody else has.
                      Just ignore him man. He is the most hardcore GNOME fan.. or maybe hardcore Anti KDE fan. If you look at his history the man spends his days seeking for any thread mentioning an issue he can relate to KDE so he can jump on it.. He is like the cancel culture / Karren of KDE Hate

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