Asahi Linux To Users: Please Stop Using X.Org

[phoronix]

Phoronix: Asahi Linux To Users: Please Stop Using X.Org

Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin issued a lengthy post encouraging users of this Apple Silicon focused Linux distribution to stop using X.Org as Wayland is the future...

https://www.phoronix.com/news/Asahi-Linux-Stop-X.Org

[CochainComplex]

Oh no no no ....don't tell not using Xorg. This is going mayhem now.

[avis]

some Xorg things might work better on other platforms

Yes, not every random app and feature you use on Xorg will have a Wayland equivalent. Deal with it.

The only reason we shipped Xorg by default is that Wayland compositors were slower with software rendering.

Overall and in particular "Wayland is ass" but "please use it". They could have just said that "Asahi works best with Wayland, thank you very much" and not try to weasel their way out of the things that continue to work a ton better in "outdated" "deprecated" "unmaintained" and "abandoned" Xorg. One day the Wayland ecosystem [outside of Gnome] will be ready but it's not there yet.

[CochainComplex]

Overall and in particular "Wayland is ass" but "please use it". They could have just said that "Asahi works best with Wayland, thank you very much" and not try to weasel their way out of the things that continue to work a ton better in "outdated" "deprecated" "unmaintained" and "abandoned" Xorg. One day the Wayland ecosystem [outside of Gnome] will be ready but it's not there yet.

Even if just for a second have you ever considered that those professionals at asahi Linux might be right?

[bple2137]

Yeah, "Wayland isn't ready", but then in case of Asahi, X.org won't ever be ready. It won't even try

[t1r0nama]

I am feeling to be on my own on pure wayland. Too many things are broken. Many programs do not even start. There is no unified ways of doing things under wayland. Even as simple as getting current keyboard layout is complicated as fuck on it.
I use dwm and all WMs under wayland suck because there is no suckless WM for wayland.


Funny developers whos distro is broken and nott even in beta stage talk about how broken X.org is

[hasnoidea]

Happily using sway already for years.

[hawk7000]

Overall and in particular "Wayland is ass" but "please use it". They could have just said that "Asahi works best with Wayland, thank you very much" and not try to weasel their way out of the things that continue to work a ton better in "outdated" "deprecated" "unmaintained" and "abandoned" Xorg. One day the Wayland ecosystem [outside of Gnome] will be ready but it's not there yet.

Yeah, "Wayland isn't ready", but then in case of Asahi, X.org won't ever be ready. It won't even try

I think it's worth keeping in mind that the Asahi project is in no way preventing anyone else who is interested in Xorg for the Apple Silicon platform, and who has the resources for this, to work on it.
The Asahi project doesn't have some exclusive right to work on Linux for the Apple Silicon platform, and from what they have said their goal is to upstream all the things so that Asahi should not need to have a distro presence in the longer term.

Overall, I do agree with the Asahi priorities. They need to pick their battles, and picking Wayland over Xorg seems like a sensible choice for a forward-looking project on a new platform.

[Viki Ai]

I like the general idea of Wayland, and so keep trying KDE under it every month-or-two in the hope of switching, but it still won't do fundamental things like render window decorations/widgets reliably for me. Though I am running on a Radeon 260 GPU which is a bit on the old side and I wouldn't be surprised when I one day upgrade to more contemporary hardware, my experience might suddenly be better. And on Asahi, of course, their target GPU is another story again, so for their platform Wayland might be rainbows and lollipops (or at least basically functional) already.

[jarekZ]

One day the Wayland ecosystem [outside of Gnome] will be ready but it's not there yet.

fun fact: such "arguments" are never coupled with precise definition of "ready", and after diving into discussion, it always turns out that the software in question is either proprietary or abandoned with better alternatives.

I've been using sway since 1.0 alpha, and everything I want works with wayland, as of today.