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Originally posted by Hibbelharry View Post
Except.... x.org is broken in many ways. A codebase deemed hardly maintainable, nulling any further progress.
problems with hotplugging displays,
problems with tearing,
security unknown for bigger parts of it.
Even the praised X11 forwarding is slow and inefficient as hell. Yes, it works on broadband low latency links, but fear any lesser connection....
Wayland guys should focus on fixing their shite. Not all wayland desktops support color profiles or 10bit color channels. I tested Arch Linux, NVIDIA proprietary drivers + GNOME just few days ago. Guess what - does not use Wayland, at least by default. I can't even select that option in gdm. What if I want multiple seats. E.g. Kodi + iGPU + pulse eight adapter for movie playback, Nvidia for Steam & games. Does not work on Wayland. Gdm can't even log in if you need that.
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Could someone please direct me to a tutorial or 'crib sheet' that provides details on how to convert code that uses Xlib to using Wayland API or series of supporting libraries.
Ideally the tutorial/'crib sheet' should cover all Xlib methods as it's the less well used ones that are proving difficult to replace.
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Originally posted by caligula View PostYou can use NX, VNC, RDP whatever. Stupid trolling..
Originally posted by caligula View PostWayland guys should focus on fixing their shite.
Originally posted by caligula View PostNot all wayland desktops support color profiles or 10bit color channels. I tested Arch Linux, NVIDIA proprietary drivers + GNOME just few days ago. Guess what - does not use Wayland, at least by default. I can't even select that option in gdm.
Originally posted by caligula View PostWhat if I want multiple seats. E.g. Kodi + iGPU + pulse eight adapter for movie playback, Nvidia for Steam & games. Does not work on Wayland. Gdm can't even log in if you need that.
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Originally posted by dreich View PostAlthough certain distributions already default to using Wayland, I certainly don't expect Linux to really drop support for X11, at least not in the next decade or so.
Originally posted by dreich View PostThey have both Wayland and X11 which is more than users can ask for. As for freebsd, I don't really know what they intend to do about it.
I think this is probably more realistic than them severing ties and jumping onto Xenocara. Both will probably appear in their ports collection, which is not a bad thing.
Originally posted by Myownfriend View Postused to bring up that X is network transparent while Wayland isn't. Truth is that using X over a network has never been great and doesn't just work with a lot of clients.
The disadvantage is they look "of an acquired taste" of courseLast edited by kpedersen; 06 December 2022, 06:02 AM.
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Originally posted by Myownfriend View Post
It's so boring repeating all of this. Wayland is not getting a screensharing protocol. X11 doesn't have one either, it has a security flaw that can be exploited to do screensharing. Wayland does not have that same flaw. You can still do screensharing in Wayland by using xdg-desktop-portals which work with both Wayland and X11 so it has the benefit that clients that record or share the screen/windows don't have to implement the feature twice.
It is always a pain when the technology is delivered by salesmen not engineers.
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Originally posted by asriel View PostThat's you wayland fans decided that this is security flaw. It is a feature you decided to name a security flaw
What a fuckin stupid argument lolLast edited by Myownfriend; 07 December 2022, 01:02 AM.
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Originally posted by Myownfriend View Post
Not stupid trolling. You're misunderstanding the context. A lot of X11 apologists used to bring up that X is network transparent while Wayland isn't. Truth is that using X over a network has never been great and doesn't just work with a lot of clients.
Things used to have Wayland disabled on the Nvidia proprietary drivers back before the Nvidia started support DMA-buf and GBM. Now that's not the case anymore. Gnome's Wayland sessions works pretty well on Nvidia's proprietary drivers now.
I never messed with it but I'm pretty sure Wayland does support multiple seats.
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