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  • #31
    Originally posted by Dukenukemx View Post
    The difference is that both Apple and Microsoft do care because they are building a ecosystem to trap you in it. Both companies can make money from you through the app store, as well as telemetry data collection. Microsoft doesn't care anymore that you don't buy a $100 copy of Windows 11 since they just want you on Windows period. The difference is that Apple is doing a good job at it, since more pro Apple users will claim that it's superior since the iPhone, the iwatch, the Macbook, and everything in between like itunes works very well with each other. Microsoft just recently started merging Windows with Xbox and even then not 100%. There's a very good reason why Windows is adopting some Linux like functionality because Microsoft is afraid. That's why Windows has WSL and soon repositories for Windows 11. Microsoft is already started to embrace and extend with Linux. Guess what's next?
    if you use linux on an apple M1/M2 you do not use their app store .. "Both companies can make money from you through the app store"

    you plain and simple have a brain damange. because apple allows linux this is not true: "because they are building a ecosystem to trap you in it" if you use linux on an apple M1/M2 you are not trapped in an walled garden ecosystem.

    and thats not the only facts why you suffer from bain damange. ...

    a week ago you did write apple M1/M2 is bad because we do not have a working 3D GPU driver and people told you that LLVM-Pipe is already fast enough on the ARM cores and now we have working OpenGL 3D GPU driver...

    your braindeath arguments become obsolete in less than a week and you claimed it will take years...
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    • #32
      Originally posted by NobodyXu View Post
      I do agree that different products from apple works quite well with each other.
      Regarding WSL, not sure about microsoft being panic but able to run Linux on Windows easily and perhaps more efficiently is great.
      Remember the last step with Microsoft is extinguish. We already see companies like Google with Chrome and Android using the linux kernel to their advantage, without actually leaving behind an open platform. I can install GNU/Linux on a Chromebook so long a I install a modded bios.
      Not sure what is the next step for them, I don't think they would abandon their own working NT kernel for Linux, considering that they value backward compatibilities over anything else.
      Why not? The Linux Kernel takes care of everything for Microsoft while also able to claim the security benefits from it, much like Apple does with Mac OSX with BSD. This would reduce development costs substantially. I doubt Microsoft would use the same kernel as we do with our Linux distros, so expect a lot of modifications. It's not far fetched that Microsoft can retain most of Windows compatibility with a lot of work on their end. Why else would Microsoft be putting in so more code into Linux for the past number of years?

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Dukenukemx View Post
        I consider myself a socialist.

        I'm not against it.

        Like voice and all?
        Welcome to the world of vtubers mate.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Dukenukemx View Post
          We already see companies like Google with Chrome and Android using the linux kernel to their advantage, without actually leaving behind an open platform.
          What?! Android is open source. If it wasn't we wouldn't have Calyxos or Grapheneos or Lineageos
          https://source.android.com/docs/setu...ad/downloading

          I mean you can choose to install Gapps if you want, but it's your choice.
          There are open-source alternative to the play store like https://f-droid.org/

          Originally posted by Dukenukemx View Post
          Why else would Microsoft be putting in so more code into Linux for the past number of years?
          Ummm...because developers (using open-source tools) have started to shift away from developing solely on Windows platforms and MS wants to win them back and keep them locked into Windows.

          I've been reading these crazy theories for years http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=8764
          It does seem plausible on the surface -- mostly as a way for MS to harness the power of the open-source community (aka free labor). But you have to realize that the majority of revenue in the Windows world has been business/government users, not home users...and those licensing deals aren't going to dry up anytime soon. Sure, they might decline, but hardly to the point that MS is somehow losing money on Windows development. Sorry, I'm not buying this.

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          • #35
            Just like to add my two cents on the congratulatory train after it was wrecked my another conversation

            The work that has been done has certainly.impressed many; the speed if not the quality, or the temerity.
            Hi

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            • #36
              Originally posted by akira128 View Post
              What?! Android is open source. If it wasn't we wouldn't have Calyxos or Grapheneos or Lineageos
              https://source.android.com/docs/setu...ad/downloading

              I mean you can choose to install Gapps if you want, but it's your choice.
              There are open-source alternative to the play store like https://f-droid.org/
              If you're ever installed a custom rom onto a Android device, you'll know it isn't exactly allowed. It can be to a degree but it usually involves unlocking the boot loader and as well as rooting. More extreme cases you need to S-OFF the device like on HTC. We have issues with Microsoft with secure boot but a quick trip to the bios and you can turn that off. Not so much the case with Android. Most Chromebooks don't even allow it unless you install a modded bios. Ask me how I know all this.
              https://mrchromebox.tech/
              Ummm...because developers (using open-source tools) have started to shift away from developing solely on Windows platforms and MS wants to win them back and keep them locked into Windows.
              Doesn't sound like you disagree with me.
              I've been reading these crazy theories for years http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=8764
              It does seem plausible on the surface -- mostly as a way for MS to harness the power of the open-source community (aka free labor). But you have to realize that the majority of revenue in the Windows world has been business/government users, not home users...and those licensing deals aren't going to dry up anytime soon. Sure, they might decline, but hardly to the point that MS is somehow losing money on Windows development. Sorry, I'm not buying this.
              Nobody said Microsoft is giving up licensing. Microsoft can adopt a lot of open source code, including Linux, and still charge a fee. There are Linux distros that do demand a fee, like Red hat. Microsoft using Linux would be cutting costs while claiming security equal to Linux, which is just marketing. Driver developers would instead put code into the Linux Kernel which saves Microsoft a lot of problems. A few compatibility layers here, and added features there, and nobody will even know that Windows now uses parts of the Linux kernel.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Dukenukemx View Post
                If you're ever installed a custom rom onto a Android device, you'll know it isn't exactly allowed. It can be to a degree but it usually involves unlocking the boot loader and as well as rooting. More extreme cases you need to S-OFF the device like on HTC. We have issues with Microsoft with secure boot but a quick trip to the bios and you can turn that off. Not so much the case with Android. Most Chromebooks don't even allow it unless you install a modded bios. Ask me how I know all this.
                https://mrchromebox.tech/
                I do have a Gigaset GS290 and i run e/OS a custom rom...

                if you buy hardware who does not allow this then it is your own fault.
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by qarium View Post

                  thats not the only point about you what ends up beeing a fundamentally brain damange.
                  LOL - if you're going to specifically call out people's alleged intelligence issues ( based on you not liking their politics ), at least do so with proper grammar and spelling. Idiot.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by dkasak View Post
                    LOL - if you're going to specifically call out people's alleged intelligence issues ( based on you not liking their politics ), at least do so with proper grammar and spelling. Idiot.
                    sounds right what you write ... but its not. first of all you can be intelligent without proper grammar and spelling..

                    and second his lag of a skill has nothing and absolutly zero conection to any kind of lag of a skill in my person.

                    this person Dukenukemx‚Äč do in fact terrorise apple m1/m2 forum threads for many months now.

                    and he does so even if people agree to him that apple m1/m2 is not a gamer notebook...

                    we multible times discovered that he will never buy a apple m1/m2 notebook even if apple does all he wants.

                    thats complete idiotic.
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