And in the meantime so many medical equipment that is used to help protect people lives are running Windows XP (or even 98), and is so insecure that nearly every one that is network connected is on a botnet.
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Originally posted by pal666 View Postwhen will you stop posting bullshit? wayland supports remote desktop just fine
Originally posted by pal666 View Posttbh it's a stupid idea for nvidiot to share his views
Originally posted by sinepgib View Post
First time I hear about a simple install script.Arch Linux is meant for users looking for an adventure or experienced Linux users who just want to configure everything from the ground up. You get to decide what you install ensuring that there’s no bloatware for your use-case. However, installing Arch Linux isn’t easy. You will probably
There is now an archinstall script on arch iso's which does a lot of heavy lifting in the installation process.
Originally posted by Quackdoc View PostMost distros shipping gnome are defaulting to wayland I believe. that includes manjaro gnome last I checked. and most major distros are supporting the migration. don't get me wrong, wayland has issues. pipewire screen record massacres my refresh rate for some reason. but most distros ARE supporting wayland by default if gnome is one of the default options, which in most cases, is most distros. obviously not all distros shipping gnome are shipping wayland by default. but most are.
Also manjaro/arch has a sizable KDE user base and wayland is still not usable there. As I said, no sane distro in their position would make Wayland default if the software still has a lot of known problems.Last edited by mdedetrich; 17 September 2021, 04:21 AM.
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Originally posted by mdedetrich View PostAfaik none of these are defaulting to Wayland.
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Originally posted by Delgarde View Post
Fedora at least has been doing so for nearly 5 years now.... F25 released with Gnome/Wayland as the default in late 2016. Works pretty well... I've been using it for most of that time, and apart from the first few months, it's been pretty stable. As others have noted, there are a few functional gaps, but none of them affect my use cases, so I'm not unhappy with that.
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Originally posted by karolherbst View PostX will probably never see HDR support (nor wokring mixed DPI scaling, which is already around for a long time) and without that it's just dead if you care about "users" in a general sense.
There is a way you can get mixed DPI scaling working with it looking nice, while with wayland there is currently no wayland compositor that properly works with x11 scaling. X11 windows under xwayland are scaling as a texture, making it blurry. There are forks of xwayland and wlroots to fix this but who knows if these changes will ever be accepted into wlroots and xwayland.
As birdie mentioned, wayland people need to address these issues: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayla...d/-/issues/233
and even if they do, wayland ends up being as "unsafe" as x11 because you can then keylog and things like that. You could implement a system where you have global hotkeys and things like that without risking security, but wayland is badly designed from the start so I doubt that would happen. X servers could be easily modified to do that without affecting any programs.
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Originally posted by arokh View Post
Yes it does (support remote desktop). I'm using VNC, RDP and screen sharing / recording with Pipewire. Why comment on a topic you obviously know nothing about?
Thats the thing with X11/xorg, remoting just worked regardless of what DE was being run. With Wayland everything had to be reimplemented from scratch and/or all of the software had to integrate with pipewire.
People also need to realize that not everyone is running Gnome, so when someone says that Wayland doesn't work stop implying they are using a setup exactly like yours
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Originally posted by Monsterovich View Post
Come on. No one asked for Wayland. The majority of distros stick to X because Xorg works even though Wayland exists for 13 years. Xorg may be dirty, but it works fine. Wayland looks like a launcher for GNOME, invented by GNOME fanatics who always go against Unix philosophy with their stupid decisions: CSD and such stuff. Perhaps, Xorg will be replaced eventually, but not by Wayland.
Xorg includes a print server for heavens sake and it includes libraries to draw your mom .. over the network.
Also, if anything, CSD is "unix" because now all drawing is done by the GUI frame work.
and, no, the most important distros already switched default.Last edited by mppix; 17 September 2021, 08:26 AM.
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Originally posted by mdedetrich View PostNVidia isn't the only reason that people aren't converting onto Wayland, it still doesn't work on a lot of setups and/or is missing functionality (i.e. remote desktop).
Originally posted by mdedetrich View PostBecause I had to set up VNC for servers that I am managing and at the time it didn't completely work, I had issues with certain NVidia/AMD cards and also with KDE (see https://phabricator.kde.org/D6096).
Thats the thing with X11/xorg, remoting just worked regardless of what DE was being run. With Wayland everything had to be reimplemented from scratch and/or all of the software had to integrate with pipewire.
VNC is better but pretty much unusable with 1080p or 4K screen plus VNC multiuser login requires the admin to hack the system.
Originally posted by mdedetrich View PostPeople also need to realize that not everyone is running Gnome, so when someone says that Wayland doesn't work stop implying they are using a setup exactly like yours
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