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Originally posted by Monsterovich View Postgo against Unix philosophy
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Originally posted by jonsmirl View Post
XServer is way more vulnerable than XWayland due to running as root. The largest barrier to Wayland conversion, NVidia, finally appears to be on board. So maybe we will start seeing faster conversion onto native Wayland.
Originally posted by You- View Post
Do we have a score card anywhere?
All fedora and Red Hat based distros default to Wayland. Ubuntu has started to default to Wayland since 21.04. I dont know about Debian, OpenSuse, Manjaro, Arch etc.
TBH until the new NVidia solution that works with EGL is stable, I think its a stupid idea for distros to default to Wayland (at least if you have an Nvidia card) unless you feel like deliberately crippling user experience is a good thing.Last edited by mdedetrich; 16 September 2021, 07:05 PM.
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Originally posted by Ironmask View Post
Xorg goes against Unix philosophy, Linux goes against Unix philosophy, GCC goes against Unix philosophy. Oh, don't even get me started on Emacs. Unix philosophy is entirely non-viable on a modern, internet-enabled computer, it was created in an era where 64kb RAM was considered a lot and the internet didn't even exist. "Unix philosophy" today means "a braindead script that doesn't work with any modern configuration or IPC infrastructure". I don't understand people who beat this dead horse, but if you really fetishize it that much, you're using the wrong operating system with the wrong software ecosystem. Maybe try FreeDOS?
Well here's where you are getting it wrong. In a ordered list of priorities you have #4 before #2
1. Is it functional?
2. Is it practical?
3. Is it stable?
4. Is it simple and does it avoid scope-creep? (Unix philosophy here)
5. Is it secure?
6. Is the beautiful?
- Is it open source?
- Is it "free software"?
If you optimize The Unix Philosophy without counter-balancing it against other priorities you are putting the cart before the horse and a clusterfuck will ensue -- same thing with the GNU-obsession of putting FOSS as #1 on the list -- You're gonna be running Trisquel GNU/Linux.
The Apple list of Priorities will list #6 as #1 and end up with absolutely anemic hardware, Windows, Linux, BSD, Servers, Desktops all order this list differently. Servers for example may list #5 & #3 as #1 and #2.
Discarding the Unix Philosophy because it comes from a time of 64kb ram would be like throwing away Binary "caus it's olde".Last edited by ElectricPrism; 16 September 2021, 07:27 PM.
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Originally posted by mdedetrich View Postit still doesn't work on a lot of setups and/or is missing functionality (i.e. remote desktop).
Originally posted by mdedetrich View PostTBH until the new NVidia solution that works with EGL is stable, I think its a stupid idea for distros to default to Wayland
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Despite of Wayland VS XOrg wars, XOrg has everything to lose:
- Zero or near zero interest from former developers.
- Old codebase that didn't have enough code improving techniques, such as massive refactoring and removing outdated features.
- Extremely big codebase for what it does. They should have been extremely focused on code size diet and refactoring.
I have no idea if Wayland will replace it. It has good concepts, but it needs too many projects to be equivalent to the XOrg mess in a modern form and more (proper remote desktop as good or better than Microsoft technologies are a tiny example of it).
We're in a very bad limbo these days. And XOrg resurgence would require a very titanical effort. Maybe Strong AI is easier than a proper XOrg improvement
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