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  • pal666
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    Originally posted by linner View Post
    The systemd of display servers.
    in the world of grownups that's a compliment

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  • sinepgib
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    Originally posted by sdack View Post
    I was wondering what you were asking me, but I did not think you would come with a troll.
    So, after you called me stupid and said maintaining code is not a burden, I'm the troll. Roger.
    I don't know if you're a programmer, but if you are, you know every line of code means more work to keep the system working.
    And since the post you quoted it didn't have any mentions, neither in my comment not in the one it quotes, about abandoning anything, I think it's fair to say you didn't interpret it correctly.

    Originally posted by sdack View Post
    So the question was, why am I not maintaining it? Because a) others have already promised to do it, but as it turns out now do they suck, and
    They didn't promise to maintain each and every feature. AFAICT, they actually didn't promise anything.[/QUOTE]

    They worked on something, and they are free to cease to work on that, and they are free to drop the parts they don't want to maintain if nobody else is doing it.
    Going back to "it still has value", the question is for who. Nobody seemed to complain, at least that actually uses the feature, and it's been broken for a decade.
    Volunteers apparently don't want to work on it, and people paying for development apparently don't see enough value to keep it building after changes to other parts, testing it (testing is a requirement, you know?), or any other part of the work.

    Lastly, let's say they do abandon their roles, both the maintainers and whoever proposed the patch that didn't follow through (because he didn't address actual issues, fixing bugs with broken code is not really fixing it, and should not be merged), you still need someone to put the work.

    Originally posted by sdack View Post
    b) do I already have a job that I love.
    I'm glad you do, seriously.
    Now, you do answer to your boss, instead of doing whatever you think is best only, right?
    Should I, as a third party that doesn't pay you nor help you do your work, have a say on how you do your work? Wouldn't you think I'm a bit self-entitled if I do that? Because that's exactly what's happening here.
    Do you volunteer extra time? Should I expect you to? Because that's pretty much my point, someone either volunteers or pays someone to maintain something.
    They get to say if they want to keep doing that. Not me, not you.

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  • sdack
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    Originally posted by sinepgib View Post
    You are unwilling to do the work to maintain it. Glad to see you can read, now you can learn to read correctly
    In practice you already abandoned it by not providing proper patches.
    I was wondering what you were asking me, but I did not think you would come with a troll. So the question was, why am I not maintaining it? Because a) others have already promised to do it, but as it turns out now do they suck, and b) do I already have a job that I love.

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  • sinepgib
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    Originally posted by sdack View Post
    Why am I unwilling to abandon it? Because it still has value, stupid.
    You are unwilling to do the work to maintain it. Glad to see you can read, now you can learn to read correctly
    In practice you already abandoned it by not providing proper patches.
    Last edited by sinepgib; 09 September 2021, 10:48 AM.

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  • sdack
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    Originally posted by sinepgib View Post
    So why are you so unwilling to do it?
    Why am I unwilling to abandon it? Because it still has value, stupid.

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  • sinepgib
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    Originally posted by sdack View Post
    A burden? *lol* When it is a burden for you then you are the wrong person for the job in the first place. Find a better job and stop being bad at the one you have.
    So why are you so unwilling to do it?

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  • sdack
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    Originally posted by sinepgib View Post
    The entitlement is to assume one should keep the burden of maintaining it.
    A burden? *lol* When it is a burden for you then you are the wrong person for the job in the first place. Find a better job and stop being bad at the one you have.

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  • sinepgib
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    Originally posted by sdack View Post
    No. I do not expect others to put in work for me.
    Are you sure? The following seems to indicate otherwise...

    Originally posted by sdack View Post
    There is no entitlement involed in leaving the system as it is and fixing it.
    Originally posted by sdack View Post
    The work has already been done in form of the mentioned patch.
    And it was incomplete and never finished. You did read the mailing list, did you?

    Originally posted by sdack View Post
    The entitlement is to assume one could just abandon it.
    The entitlement is to assume one should keep the burden of maintaining it. Or accept half done patches that you would need to maintain afterwards.

    Originally posted by sdack View Post
    I suggest you abandon your involvement in the project - abandon yourself. Take yourself out of the project when the only way you can continue working on it is by removing it. So right back at you when your suggestion is to fork it. So can those who want to abandon it. Go write your own software and abandon your own code.
    Except the ones dropping it are the ones maintaining the project. Whether they fork or you do, it's you who would be maintaining the broken code
    Besides, if you'd rather use the old broken version, the code is version controlled. Suit yourself.

    Originally posted by sdack View Post
    Go write your own software and abandon your own code.
    I did many times, but thanks for the suggestion!

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  • sdack
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    Originally posted by sinepgib View Post
    Plus, what we _know_, if you look at the mailing list of the mentioned fix, is that _it was_ looked at, there was feedback, there was an acknowledgement from the author who said he'd address such feedback and then never wrote a new version. Which again, he's perfectly entitled to do, because it's _his_ time, and he has all the right to use however he deems best. Don't like it? Provide a patch yourself.
    No. I do not expect others to put in work for me. The work has already been done in form of the mentioned patch. You did read the article, yes? There is no entitlement involed in leaving the system as it is and fixing it. The entitlement is to assume one could just abandon it. I suggest you abandon your involvement in the project - abandon yourself. Take yourself out of the project when the only way you can continue working on it is by removing it. So right back at you when your suggestion is to fork it. So can those who want to abandon it. Go write your own software and abandon your own code.
    Last edited by sdack; 08 September 2021, 01:02 PM.

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  • sinepgib
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    Originally posted by sdack View Post
    Well, thank you! You are sure it would have been looked at? That is just your wishful thinking, son. Software gets abandoned each day despite millions of users using it! But go ahead and call me a self-entitled little shit. *lol* I do not think you know what it means to be a self-entitled little shit or you would have recognised it within yourself already.
    Worst case, you can fork it, so I smell excuses here. You're entitled because you expect someone else to put work _for you_ that _you wouldn't put yourself_. It's not your time nor your money to decide how it's used, it's just that simple.
    Plus, what we _know_, if you look at the mailing list of the mentioned fix, is that _it was_ looked at, there was feedback, there was an acknowledgement from the author who said he'd address such feedback and then never wrote a new version. Which again, he's perfectly entitled to do, because it's _his_ time, and he has all the right to use however he deems best. Don't like it? Provide a patch yourself.

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