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Originally posted by guildem View PostAnd if we want to be really accurate, there's today : Xorg for X11, and WlRoots/Mutter/Kwin(/Mir ?) for Wayland. Weston is only a reference implementation of Wayland, and all the other implementations of X11 and Wayland aren't used a lot today.
XWayland has been taken out from Xorg and has been adopted by Gnome. In short: you can install Gnome and run X11 apps without Xorg.
XQuartz is still relevant on Mac, although apps using it are looking quite out of place on a Mac DE by now.
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Originally posted by blacknova View PostBecause it is ambiguous. Wayland is a protocol, like X11. Xorg is an implementation of X11 protocol's server side, for all its problems it is single most used implementation on Linux, and *BSDs. It works. There is no single Wayland protocol implementation, even more each implementation do it in its own way.
Fedora, Debian, and Ubuntu are already on Wayland by default. Hence a lot (majority?) of new desktop Linux installations use Wayland - and likely will never even really notice.
Originally posted by blacknova View PostI'm hearing a lot about Wayland compositors but I do not get why compositor have to be bundled with WM and cannot be separate service, why it need to handle input and clipboard instead of dedicated services and so on.
Originally posted by blacknova View PostOk, I'm not tied to desktop UI app development so I might be wrong on some points.
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Originally posted by sinepgib View Post
I always thought it was just a special build inside X.org. TIL.
However, It is released independently now by the Xorg community.
The Xorg community releases more than Xorg, including Wayland and Weston..
To me, this means Xwayland is an independent entity now.
Also, Xorg may not get Xwayland work "backported" and may not even be released in the future.
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Originally posted by MadeUpName View PostWhat a self entitled little sh1t. Considering your deep concern what have you contributed to help mitigate the issue? If there had been a great ground swell, I am sure it would have been looked at. Obviously that didn't happen and nobody even seemed to have noticed so why should any one put any effort into it?
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Originally posted by sdack View PostWell, thank you! You are sure it would have been looked at? That is just your wishful thinking, son. Software gets abandoned each day despite millions of users using it! But go ahead and call me a self-entitled little shit. *lol* I do not think you know what it means to be a self-entitled little shit or you would have recognised it within yourself already.
Plus, what we _know_, if you look at the mailing list of the mentioned fix, is that _it was_ looked at, there was feedback, there was an acknowledgement from the author who said he'd address such feedback and then never wrote a new version. Which again, he's perfectly entitled to do, because it's _his_ time, and he has all the right to use however he deems best. Don't like it? Provide a patch yourself.
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Originally posted by sinepgib View PostPlus, what we _know_, if you look at the mailing list of the mentioned fix, is that _it was_ looked at, there was feedback, there was an acknowledgement from the author who said he'd address such feedback and then never wrote a new version. Which again, he's perfectly entitled to do, because it's _his_ time, and he has all the right to use however he deems best. Don't like it? Provide a patch yourself.Last edited by sdack; 08 September 2021, 01:02 PM.
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Originally posted by sdack View PostNo. I do not expect others to put in work for me.
Originally posted by sdack View PostThere is no entitlement involed in leaving the system as it is and fixing it.Originally posted by sdack View PostThe work has already been done in form of the mentioned patch.
Originally posted by sdack View PostThe entitlement is to assume one could just abandon it.
Originally posted by sdack View PostI suggest you abandon your involvement in the project - abandon yourself. Take yourself out of the project when the only way you can continue working on it is by removing it. So right back at you when your suggestion is to fork it. So can those who want to abandon it. Go write your own software and abandon your own code.
Besides, if you'd rather use the old broken version, the code is version controlled. Suit yourself.
Originally posted by sdack View PostGo write your own software and abandon your own code.
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