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  • Myownfriend
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    Originally posted by cjcox View Post

    This isn't about "pushing a patch", or even a distribution offering experimental wayland (buggy) support. It's about Wayland becoming "the way" moving forward and my point is that we're still quite far from that (numerous things will not work with it today)...

    ...And that's my point.
    Looking back at the whole conversation, I don't see how you can claim that's what you were talking about the whole time. Like why wouldn't you have clarifies several posts ago? Why talk about rolling releases or new kinds of distros if you ultimately weren't talking about distros at all and were making a broader point about Wayland support from apps and desktop environments?

    Originally posted by cjcox View Post
    Let's just say there's a ton of things available in Ubuntu that will break if you choose Wayland today.
    I've been using it for months with an Nvidia card. The only issues I've run into are those relating to lack of DMA-buf support.

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  • cjcox
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    Originally posted by Myownfriend View Post
    Don't need any "new" kind of distro. There's nothing stopping a distro like Ubuntu from pushing that patch. They already back port patches to older version of kernels. Ubuntu 21.04 uses the standalone release of XWayland now. If they deem it important enough, they could push their own branch that includes this patch or push a point release without having to worry about it effecting X as a whole.
    This isn't about "pushing a patch", or even a distribution offering experimental wayland (buggy) support. It's about Wayland becoming "the way" moving forward and my point is that we're still quite far from that (numerous things will not work with it today). I'm ok with Wayland, but wouldn't be surprised if it's still less than half way there today. Let's just say there's a ton of things available in Ubuntu that will break if you choose Wayland today. And that's my point.

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  • Myownfriend
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    Originally posted by cjcox View Post
    So now all of Linux === Ubuntu (even then, not sure I'd place that bet). I mean I get it. You have a 25-30% market platform, you feel it's worthy of 100% representation.
    I never equated Ubuntu to all of Linux, not even in the slightest. I just used Ubuntu as an example because it's not an example of a rolling release distro. That's why I said-

    Originally posted by Myownfriend View Post
    A 0.0.1 update to a package isn't outside of the realm of possibility for a non-rolling release distro to push.
    - in my previous post.

    Your own original post never states that you were talking about a time table for when all Linux distros might include this patch. I started my first response to you with

    Originally posted by Myownfriend View Post
    For this to find its way into distros?
    So I was very clearly with what I meant in my post and you didn't clarify anything in your response. Instead, you suggested that there would have to be a new kind of non-rolling-release distro for the patch to pushed between major releases. If anything, that made it seem even less likely like you were talking about 100% adoption and were instead inferring that was your timetable for seeing this patch adopted by any distros without a rolling release.

    There's no shame in saying you worded what you meant poorly and then clarify. After all, I'm not the only person that interpreted you posts that way. There is shame in try make bets for stuff like this and moving goalposts though.

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  • cjcox
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    Originally posted by Myownfriend View Post
    Don't need any "new" kind of distro. There's nothing stopping a distro like Ubuntu from pushing that patch. They already back port patches to older version of kernels. Ubuntu 21.04 uses the standalone release of XWayland now. If they deem it important enough, they could push their own branch that includes this patch or push a point release without having to worry about it effecting X as a whole.
    So now all of Linux === Ubuntu (even then, not sure I'd place that bet). I mean I get it. You have a 25-30% market platform, you feel it's worthy of 100% representation. Understood. Realize that when I speak about adoption I'm looking at all the applications necessary and not a tiny fraction... even then, I'm even limiting myself to what I feel is the "majority" realizing that not everything will move. Remember, I said 2022 at the earliest. I'm strictly saying that an all Wayland Linux world is unlikely in 2021.


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  • Myownfriend
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    Originally posted by Vistaus View Post
    Then how come I still have issues on my Intel-only hardware? Seriously, people on here keep sprouting the same nonsense that Intel and AMD are issue-free on Wayland, but I've said it again and again that I still cannot run a proper Wayland session without it crashing on my Intel-only hardware.
    Nobody is saying that Wayland is issue free. I've had crashes on X11, too. That doesn't mean that Wayland "isn't ready" or is "less stable".

    Are these crashes happening with all applications under Wayland? Are they just with XWayland applications? Can you trigger them yourself? What distro are you on? What desktop environment are you using? How up-to-date are the packages in that distro? How new/old is your Intel hardware?

    I haven't really seen a lot of people with Intel or AMD GPUs saying that Wayland is some unstable mess. If you're getting issues that they aren't then Wayland may not be the issue.

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  • Alexmitter
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    Originally posted by Vistaus View Post

    Argh! You just burst the bubble of NVidia haters who think NVidia hates Linux and esp. Wayland!
    Nvidia does not hate Linux, though it does not love it either. It does the absolute minimum, and it does it later then everyone else. And it still tries to push its own ways like using EGLStreams that is a complete misfit for Wayland or driving more then one application in general.

    I for myself gave my 1060 6GB away, it was just too much pain in my ass to maintain that damn hackjob of a driver. I am just sorry that I gave it away to someone who also wants to use Linux and he is gonna have pain.

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  • angrypie
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    Originally posted by Vistaus View Post

    Argh! You just burst the bubble of NVidia haters who think NVidia hates Linux and esp. Wayland!
    Is this an NVIDIA leather jacket licking contest? Anyway, try harder.

    I have no idea about your issues with Wayland on Intel drivers, maybe ask Intel? At least they weren't actively sabotaging Wayland until it was too late.
    Last edited by angrypie; 10 April 2021, 02:28 PM.

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  • Vistaus
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    Originally posted by angrypie View Post

    Only if you're an NVIDIA user.
    Then how come I still have issues on my Intel-only hardware? Seriously, people on here keep sprouting the same nonsense that Intel and AMD are issue-free on Wayland, but I've said it again and again that I still cannot run a proper Wayland session without it crashing on my Intel-only hardware.

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  • Vistaus
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    Originally posted by ChristianSchaller View Post
    In regards to the timing of when you can find this in a major distribution, we have been working closely with NVidia on this, so our aim is to have this support out in Fedora either day and date with the NVidia driver release or shortly afterwards.
    Argh! You just burst the bubble of NVidia haters who think NVidia hates Linux and esp. Wayland!

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  • ThoreauHD
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    My old 1080 is going for $450 on ebay. I paid $350 for it 2 years ago. And I'm seeing $2000+ retail on the new higher model nvidia gpus. It seems like a shtshow, but maybe this shortage will give linux/nvidia the time they need to get this done right.

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