X.Org Server 1.20.10 Allows For Larger Number Of Input Devices, Present Extension Fixes

[duby229]

And, what are you missing, what is lacking? Are your games not playing right? Is something not working?

Maybe you miss the ability to not render a single frame right? Right, that Xorg feature that wont be ported over, there are some architecture limitations that simply make it nearly impossible to send out a non-perfect frame.

You are just salty because your favourite desktop did not get his stuff together in the last 5 years. Too bad.

5 years? Make that 13 years... Like I said it's no wonder why...

[duby229]

Neon is a distro shipping with the newest Plasma, Plasma is a desktop, Gnome 2 is a desktop, Gnome 3 is a desktop.

Your comment is the most idiotic thing I've seen today.

It is only fair to use KDE's in house example distro with the latest and greatest KDE has to offer to see KDE in its full constantly crashing glory. Otherwise the usual "this distro breaks KDE" arguments come up fast but just slightly faster then Kwin crashes

Ok fair enough, but for what it's worth KDE4 was also nicknamed Neon.

EDIT: If your needs were designed around a x11 server, then that server was removed and you had to design your own around a protocol that wasn't itself designed for that, then you too would have just as many problems as KDE is having.

Wayland is strictly to blame for its lack of scope.

[Alexmitter]

5 years? Make that 13 years... Like I said it's no wonder why...

And? Do you know how long protocols often are in development. Again, this a protocol specification(like X11) and not a software(Like Xorg Xserver).
It was finished and agreed on around 6 years ago with all main extensions people wanted. It took around 2 years to wire up Gnome 3 and port the needed parts in GTK3 and Clutter over. 2016 was the first deemed stable for testing release of the wayland session. 2018 was when the Wayland Session became stable enough to be on par with Xorg for regular usage. 2020 and even the last edge cases are resolved.

What did KDE do in that time? Probably nothing as Plasma is as stable on Wayland as GS was in 2015.

[Alexmitter]

Wayland is strictly to blame for its lack of scope.

Wayland is a protocol that lets you assign buffers you can draw into as a app. Its very simple, it uses the already existing and proved DRM interface as well as EGL that was also backported to Xorg. The main difference between them is that Wayland Apps draw very directly towards the graphic hardware while Xorg pipes that picture around at least 3 times until it lands in the GPU driver buffer. There is absolutely nothing KDE needs that is in Xorg and not in Wayland. They both allow to draw into a buffer. (Maybe the funny printer server that was hidden in Xorg for like 20 years is missing, maybe KDE relies on that: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=558. It was removed from Xorg after this guy added support for it in glxgears lol)

EDIT: If your needs were designed around a x11 server, then that server was removed and you had to design your own around a protocol that wasn't itself designed for that, then you too would have just as many problems as KDE is having.

Gnome Shell was also designed for X11, even more so to speak then Kwin or Plasma in general supporting basically everything Qt supports as a backend(KDE on Windows for example). Especially with its extensive 3D capabilities due to Clutter. The two different toolkits used aka clutter and gtk3 as well as some other specific things that needed a complete rethink on how to do it. But they did this, and they did this years ago.

Somehow I think you have a general lack of knowing what the F you are talking about, seriously. You do not seem to know what X11 or Wayland is and what they do.

[Charlie68]

You are right with that, as the Xorg codebase contains Xwayland. Nearly all commits are Xwayland related already today.

...there are many reasons, dead software no longer receives any updates. Do you have any idea how many companies still use releases that use Xorg by default? Many.
Between old releases of RH and SUSE, the latest Ubuntu Lts if I remember correctly was released with Xorg by default, has a minimum support of 5 years. What are we talking about?

[duby229]

And? Do you know how long protocols often are in development. Again, this a protocol specification(like X11) and not a software(Like Xorg Xserver).
It was finished and agreed on around 6 years ago with all main extensions people wanted. It took around 2 years to wire up Gnome 3 and port the needed parts in GTK3 and Clutter over. 2016 was the first deemed stable for testing release of the wayland session. 2018 was when the Wayland Session became stable enough to be on par with Xorg for regular usage. 2020 and even the last edge cases are resolved.

What did KDE do in that time? Probably nothing as Plasma is as stable on Wayland as GS was in 2015.

Oh that's bullshit, Gnome had to re-invent so many things to get where they are. Additional to that, Gnome3 isn't even a fully functional desktop, it's so stripped down it can't even compare to Plasma.

Plasma is 10 times the desktop Gnome3 could ever hope to be. Gnome's primary concern is how much more white-space they can fit on screen. Sure If your goal is to cater to the needs of a kiosk, which is -exactly- Wayland's stated scope and about the only thing Gnome3 is good for, then sure...

[duby229]

Wayland is a protocol that lets you assign buffers you can draw into as a app. Its very simple, it uses the already existing and proved DRM interface as well as EGL that was also backported to Xorg. The main difference between them is that Wayland Apps draw very directly towards the graphic hardware while Xorg pipes that picture around at least 3 times until it lands in the GPU driver buffer. There is absolutely nothing KDE needs that is in Xorg and not in Wayland. They both allow to draw into a buffer. (Maybe the funny printer server that was hidden in Xorg for like 20 years is missing, maybe KDE relies on that: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=558. It was removed from Xorg after this guy added support for it in glxgears lol)



Gnome Shell was also designed for X11, even more so to speak then Kwin or Plasma in general supporting basically everything Qt supports as a backend(KDE on Windows for example). Especially with its extensive 3D capabilities due to Clutter. The two different toolkits used aka clutter and gtk3 as well as some other specific things that needed a complete rethink on how to do it. But they did this, and they did this years ago.

Somehow I think you have a general lack of knowing what the F you are talking about, seriously. You do not seem to know what X11 or Wayland is and what they do.

Yeah and somehow I think you must have beer-goggles on....

[duby229]

https://www.phoronix.com/forums/foru...rver-for-linux

I was just fucking around and I came across this old thread... Damn, I fucking love the 2nd post of the thread, it was the very first reply. That guy should be a fucking prophet.

cruiseoveride much props bro. You predicted it spot on.

[JackLilhammers]

Alexmitter You speak The Truth. Keep rocking!

The One Truthy Truth!

[Charlie68]

Keep talking about Plasma, as if it were the only DE that isn't ready yet, but apart from Gnome I don't see others that have Wayland set by default, XFCE doesn't, LXQT doesn't, others don't. they do it !
Why ? Why it's not easy to do is the most rational answer. And if the usual war of the DE is waged here, it is another matter. But the Gnu / linux ecosystem isn't just made up of Gnome! Indeed, Gnome users are a small part. Not even the two most used web browsers Firefox and Chrome are ready for Wayland.