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  • Originally posted by Raka555 View Post

    It is not about me being "wiser" because I am older.

    It is about people that entitle themselves to tell other people to fuck off from linux because they dislike half baked software that has only being around for a fraction of the time linux existed.
    Software development is an incremental process. It takes time, energy, resources and mostly speed up using a tradable commodity which we all perceive as money. It is really fortunate that someone else spent their time to develop free software for everyone to use, without charging anything and then there is you who acts all entitled. People don't owe you anything you know unless you have something at stake.

    I don't understand what is stopping you from not ever upgrading to use wayland instead of badmouthing it. So you want all wayland developers to redirect themselves to continue supporting XOrg? Maybe how about you start your own company and develop X or setup a go fund me page?

    Instead of consistently complaining which is not going to do anything constructive. You lack the technical depth in your arguments to reason why X should still be actively developed. Or how about you learn some C and submit pull requests to X so you can "make it better".

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    • Originally posted by frank007
      You have just written the future of Linux (one of the future, but the most possible, because the companies that hold Linux want money too).
      this future is impossible with linux because its sources are open

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      • Originally posted by frank007
        Consider also the "real" hardware video acceleration: lost Flash Player, Linux user had no "real" video acceleration thru the gpu (maybe now it exists, I read something about but I have still no hardware decode thru GPU).
        i have video decode acceleration via gpu. it's not clear where you are missing it. if it's media player, try different one. if it's browser, try newer(maybe on better distro)/different and maybe google how to enable it

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        • Originally posted by piotrj3 View Post
          1st. Transitioning entire aplication from X to wayland is big process for every single program. So new programs will still be going out using X for really long time, so Linux will be fragmentarized longer and longer.
          normal application doesn't have to do any transition. just use gtk and gtk already transitioned
          Originally posted by piotrj3 View Post
          2nd.
          you are just misinformed

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          • Originally posted by abu_shawarib View Post
            Wonder what would happen to the Nvidia folks like me. I might be forced to change my GPU, which is kinda of wasteful
            well, you could try asking novideo to maintain xorg or to support wayland

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            • Originally posted by awesz View Post
              Why is X12 not a thing?
              it is. it is called wayland

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              • Originally posted by bearoso View Post
                Wayland runs as a client application, but it tries to prevent stuff like keyboard grabbing, mouse warping, or giving any client program control of anything, even though everything is sandboxed to the user. That, too, only protects users from themselves.
                you have nonconventional definition of sandboxing. usually it is used to protect user from attacks out of sandbox

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                • Originally posted by kpedersen View Post
                  Wayland is a vague protocol
                  x11 is also a vague protocol
                  Originally posted by kpedersen View Post
                  with far fewer reatures (network aware is a critical one).
                  only in imagination of imbeciles
                  Originally posted by kpedersen View Post
                  If Xorg ever broke, I actually would stand up to the plate and fix it. Especially since there is no viable alternative. However, it isn't broken and doesn't need additional bloat just for the sake of it.
                  xorg is both bloated and broken and i don't see you sticking to your word. instead you are just defining alternative reality

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                  • Originally posted by JackLilhammers View Post
                    Maybe I read it and maybe I was suggesting that maybe they'll think whether supporting Wayland is a valuable enough effort for platform with just 1% of the market share.
                    sdl supports wayland, what else you need?
                    Originally posted by JackLilhammers View Post
                    Stadia? Seriously?
                    seriously, as a matter of fact, do game developers care about linux which doesn't even support novideo?

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                    • Originally posted by Volta View Post
                      Now proprietary POS can eat their nvidia blobs without Wayland support. There's no future for them on Linux. Now birdie (or another nvidia POS) can port nvidia blob to Wayland (oh wait, it's a fucking proprietary shit) or fork X and maintain it himself 'it's Open source after all'.
                      It's easy to judge, but an Nvidia GPU + proprietary drivers was the only way to have good graphics under Desktop Linux. AMD has an open-source driver because it's not that good so they don't mind giving it away. This is the worst possible scenario when it comes to whatever is left of Desktop Linux's mainstream appeal: An X.org that's dead and a Wayland that doesn't support Nvidia GPUs.

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