Red Hat Expecting X.Org To "Go Into Hard Maintenance Mode Fairly Quickly"

[agronholm]

Um..
Eclipse
Netbeans
IntelliJ
GoLand
RubyMine
PyCharm
Mindcraft Classic

Exactly. Java on the desktop is FAR from dead. I use PyCharm and many other, less known, Java desktop apps.

[pmorph]

Exactly. Java on the desktop is FAR from dead. I use PyCharm and many other, less known, Java desktop apps.

Yep. I didn't fully understand the argument that java doesn't matter because of the current unpopularity of consumer desktop apps, considering linux never had consumer desktop users either.

[Guest]

switch back to water for your bongs mate!!

I don't get why people think I'm on drugs. The hardest drug I do is caffeine.

[the_scx]

Windows 10 on ARM together with x86 Win32 emulation is running all applications expect some special cases where the application developer resisted so far to spent effort. So the switch to Windows 10 on ARM can be done by every user when he feels confident and where it is seamless.

Fixed.

My point is that even if the system is capable of running 99% of typical applications, this 1% of programs that are causing problems or not working can be decisive for users.
In my opinion, Wayland still has too many itches to be recommended as a full replacement for X.Org. End users don't care if something is not working because the developers are lazy or because the proposed solution is just broken. They only pay attention to the current status. And status of Wayland on desktop is far from being perfect.

https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/linux-graphics-x-org-drivers/wayland-display-server/1098817-prolific-red-hat-developer-starts-up-wayland-itches-project?p=1099136#post1099136

God, even Windows 10 on ARM have less issues today. And it kind of works, but users prefers a system that works better.

[ermo]

Has it ever crossed your pea brain that maybe Nvidia licenses technology and it not at liberty to share what isn't theirs?

Let me deconstruct that argument for you:

Has it ever crossed your pea brain that maybe AMD used to license technology that it was not at liberty to share? And that AMD then deliberately chose to invest in writing code in-house to replace the encumbered bits, such that it was possible to take advantage of the FLOSS ecosystem?

[MrMorden]

Let me deconstruct that argument for you:

Has it ever crossed your pea brain that maybe AMD used to license technology that it was not at liberty to share? And that AMD then deliberately chose to invest in writing code in-house to replace the encumbered bits, such that it was possible to take advantage of the FLOSS ecosystem?

Or AMD paid whomever they were licensing stuff from under a proprietary license to license it as free software.

Switching to AMD on a desktop is easy enough, but the selection of laptops with AMD discrete graphics seems extremely limited.

[R41N3R]

Fixed.

My point is that even if the system is capable of running 99% of typical applications, this 1% of programs that are causing problems or not working can be decisive for users.
In my opinion, Wayland still has too many itches to be recommended as a full replacement for X.Org. End users don't care if something is not working because the developers are lazy or because the proposed solution is just broken. They only pay attention to the current status. And status of Wayland on desktop is far from being perfect.

https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/linux-graphics-x-org-drivers/wayland-display-server/1098817-prolific-red-hat-developer-starts-up-wayland-itches-project?p=1099136#post1099136

God, even Windows 10 on ARM have less issues today. And it kind of works, but users prefers a system that works better.

If you are depending from the mentioned 1% percent of things that do not work for you and that are essential to your workflow, then there is no need to switch right now. My workflow is covered, I do not need anything special, everything what is getting added now is just nice to have for me. I think the situation is not that bad like many people claim, there are issues and they are known according to your post, so there is no need to worry, development goes on and they are hopefully sooner than later addressed. Just as the news from today of Waypipe and yesterdays Xfway. As a KDE Plasma user on Wayland, I miss as well the attention of all the developers for Wayland, there are tons of new features being added but the essentials are often addressed extremely delayed.

[kon14]

don't see how this discussion is in any way related to the 32 bit abandoning of Canonical. If there would be no multilib suddenly thousands of games wouldn't work anymore, so this was really stupid! With xorg we are just now at a point where the main maintainers will switch focus, this is natural and they overlapped with the Wayland developers before. So xorg is in maintenance mode, nothing new or unexpected. Wayland together with xwayland is running all applications expect some special cases where the application developer resisted so far to spent effort. So the switch to Wayland can be done by every user when he feels confident and where it is seemless.

It's not, we're not in that thread.
You're right though, it's important that XWayland gets maintained, which it probably will for a really long time no matter how much scaremongering there is .

[danielnez1]

It's not, we're not in that thread.
You're right though, it's important that XWayland gets maintained, which it probably will for a really long time no matter how much scaremongering there is .

Personally I don't see X11 going away anytime soon (for better or for worse).

[awesz]

The One True Way slowly shapes into reality. Mutter above X.Org, GNOME above them all.