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GNOME 3.34's Mutter Lowers Output Lag On X11 To Match Wayland Performance

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  • #21
    Originally posted by debianxfce View Post

    KDE is not any better than gnome3. KDE is badly designed, never ready, buggy, slow, resource hog and difficult to use too. The best distributions use the Xfce desktop that is ready, stable, fast, light, easy to use and needs a very little maintenance.
    Xfce is based on Gnome foundations. Because of this it is doomed to always follow the Gnome direction and adapt to it. The same is true to all other Gnome based desktops (mate, cinamon, etc). AFAIK KDE is the only real alternative that is based on its own foundation libraries - and pretty good IMHO.

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    • #22
      Canonical made the mistake to succumb to the Red Hat controlled ecosystem (gnome & friends). I kind of get the why. Up to today all attempts to challenge this by any distribution have failed. Canonical gave in to gain "points" in the enterprise crowd in which RH is deeply entrenched. I still think it was a wrong move. They had the opportunity to become the Apple analogous to the Microsoft of 00s. Now they became followers instead of leaders.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by zoomblab View Post
        Xfce is based on Gnome foundations. Because of this it is doomed to always follow the Gnome direction and adapt to it. The same is true to all other Gnome based desktops (mate, cinamon, etc). AFAIK KDE is the only real alternative that is based on its own foundation libraries - and pretty good IMHO.
        There is another one that has its own foundation libraries that common gets forgotten about https://www.enlightenment.org/.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by oiaohm View Post

          There is another one that has its own foundation libraries that common gets forgotten about https://www.enlightenment.org/.
          Not really, I think it is used as foundation for Tizen UI.

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          • #25
            On the topic, I'm not sure what exactly they have fixed. GNOME on Xorg was much more responsive for me, than on Wayland.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by blacknova View Post
              On the topic, I'm not sure what exactly they have fixed. GNOME on Xorg was much more responsive for me, than on Wayland.
              This is also my impression, moving windows in Gnome always felt similarly direct as on Windows to me. This is with radeonsi. Since 3.32, also the annoying occasional stutter is gone. I hope 3.34 will finally provide a comparable experience inside the Wayland session, starting with a proper hardware cursor performance. KWin Wayland is way ahead in this regard.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by aufkrawall View Post
                This is also my impression, moving windows in Gnome always felt similarly direct as on Windows to me. This is with radeonsi. Since 3.32, also the annoying occasional stutter is gone. I hope 3.34 will finally provide a comparable experience inside the Wayland session, starting with a proper hardware cursor performance. KWin Wayland is way ahead in this regard.
                Windows when you drag a window actually switches to a software cursor and ties it to where you clicked on the title bar, which is how when dragging windows under Windows it looks like the window is perfectly moving with the cursor.

                You can tell by the little flicker of the cursor when you start dragging a window.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by Britoid View Post

                  Windows when you drag a window actually switches to a software cursor and ties it to where you clicked on the title bar, which is how when dragging windows under Windows it looks like the window is perfectly moving with the cursor.

                  You can tell by the little flicker of the cursor when you start dragging a window.
                  I don't really care about HOW, that I care is how it feel. Mutter 3.30 on Wayland have been losing responsiveness and mouse precision under load, that is not the problem under Xorg. We can argue all day about how Mutter is ready for Wayland, but this is actual regression which is known but have not been fixed since forever. And now RedHat pushes Gnome on Wayland as default for RHEL8. I'm not exactly thrilled, since this would push others as well.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by Britoid View Post

                    Windows when you drag a window actually switches to a software cursor and ties it to where you clicked on the title bar, which is how when dragging windows under Windows it looks like the window is perfectly moving with the cursor.

                    You can tell by the little flicker of the cursor when you start dragging a window.
                    I'm aware of that, still I don't let it fool myself to notice the increased input latency.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by Britoid View Post

                      The guy's clearly clever and I'm not sure many people would want to touch code he's more than happy to play around with. I understand the hesitation in accepting his MRs as much as people swear by them, as they tend to have regressions or highlight problems in other areas.
                      Am I wrong in thinking that the emphasised part of your sentence really ought to be considered a good thing from an overall quality perspective?

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