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Originally posted by gwgwg View PostX11 has color management, Wayland does not. Those who use graphics seriously on Linux for photography, publishing, video/film editing etc. aren't about to switch to Wayland. They will be forced to switch to MSWindows or OS X (or even Android!) if X11 goes away.
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Originally posted by uid313 View PostIs there any cruft in X.Org Server that can be cut out?
Does it still have multiple input backends and graphics backends?
Do we in 2019 need all that old stuff from the X of the 80s and 90s?
When running X.Org Server purely under Wayland and XWayland is all of the X.Org Server needed?
Have any modules been dropped? Are any modules getting dropped?
Any code removal happening?
I'm not Linux expert but yes, code removal *is* happening. I have seen so many responses to your question stating that no code removal is happening for old crap and cruft that I registered on purpose just to respond (and I've been reading Phoronix sine it's inception!).
Really? No code removal of old stuff? Then what exactly do you call what's happened in this commit: https://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xs...ade8b5b921cafd I'd say that is clearly old code / cruft removal. Maybe removing old crap is glacial in it's pace but somewhere out there, there's that one guy still rocking some ancient dinosaur. I don't agree leaving ancient cruft in to cater to old dinosaurs should be given any priority with the limited development resources that exist today.
Maybe not this year. Maybe not next year. But eventually, old crap will be removed in succeeding versions of Xorg. Count on it. I agree that the pace should be inordinately faster to remove the ancient cruft where and when possible to make a leaner, meaner Xorg.
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Originally posted by kozman View PostReally? No code removal of old stuff?
I mean ok he will think it's great because he can't grasp the concept of modules, but in practice it's not really what he wants.
Maybe removing old crap is glacial in it's pace but somewhere out there, there's that one guy still rocking some ancient dinosaur. I don't agree leaving ancient cruft in to cater to old dinosaurs should be given any priority with the limited development resources that exist today.
You don't need to know the whole Xorg codebase to contribute, nor you actually use most of that as modules are loaded only if needed. Having DRI1 or DRI2 or whatever does not impact you on DRI3.
But this is a concept that a webdeveloper like him can't grasp.
Maybe not this year. Maybe not next year. But eventually, old crap will be removed in succeeding versions of Xorg. Count on it.
That's why of the "no".
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Originally posted by gwgwg View PostX11 has color management, Wayland does not. Those who use graphics seriously on Linux for photography, publishing, video/film editing etc. aren't about to switch to Wayland. They will be forced to switch to MSWindows or OS X (or even Android!) if X11 goes away.
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Originally posted by kozman View Post
I'm not Linux expert but yes, code removal *is* happening. I have seen so many responses to your question stating that no code removal is happening for old crap and cruft that I registered on purpose just to respond (and I've been reading Phoronix sine it's inception!).
Really? No code removal of old stuff? Then what exactly do you call what's happened in this commit: https://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xs...ade8b5b921cafd I'd say that is clearly old code / cruft removal. Maybe removing old crap is glacial in it's pace but somewhere out there, there's that one guy still rocking some ancient dinosaur. I don't agree leaving ancient cruft in to cater to old dinosaurs should be given any priority with the limited development resources that exist today.
Maybe not this year. Maybe not next year. But eventually, old crap will be removed in succeeding versions of Xorg. Count on it. I agree that the pace should be inordinately faster to remove the ancient cruft where and when possible to make a leaner, meaner Xorg.
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