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Serious "LOL" at responses. Just to throw more gasoline into fire..
The point of BSD, since it was asked:
It's there for former Linux users who get finally tired of messing around with software analogue of live fragmentation grenade with safety pin pulled and want serious , coherent, well documented operating system.
Haven't you noticed that migration tends to be Linux -> BSD, not much vice versa.
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Originally posted by SystemCrasher View PostAs far as I know, large companies like Google, Facebook, etc got fed up with proprietary appliances and are designning their own, Linux based things boasting open firmwares. So they could integrate management/diagnostics/etc to their infrastructure management reasonably, etc. Not to mention there is no vendor-lock on the way, so nobody would suddenly screw 'em.
And sony consoles... yet another showcase of DRMed anti-user hardware.
Another example is JunOS (JUNIPER firewall/router firmware).
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Originally posted by aht0 View PostIt's there for former Linux users who get finally tired of messing around with software analogue of live fragmentation grenade with safety pin pulled and want serious , coherent, well documented operating system.
Which is not.
Haven't you noticed that migration tends to be Linux -> BSD, not much vice versa.
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Originally posted by Vistaus View PostQNX is on the rise (it's currently mostly being used in cars by companies like Ford and even Mercedes has a few cars with QNX on-board, but they are closing in on more deals), so not all Unixes are dead. But yeah, most of them are, like HP-UX and whatnot.
QNX does have features that allow it to compete or even be better than Linux in embedded applications.
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Originally posted by starshipeleven View PostI hope you realize how fucking sad this is. You're basically saying that the only point of FBSD is being a more extreme Devuan (a distro born out of hate and ignorance).
Originally posted by starshipeleven View PostNo I have not. Apart from the vocal minority of "old raunchy guy" types that are too old to accept change even if it is for the best, or "Veteran Unix Admin" (aka systemd hater) types there are plenty of people on BSD that has chosen it for other reasons.Last edited by aht0; 23 December 2017, 04:46 PM.
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Originally posted by aht0 View PostYou completely missed the idea. At one point one's values may simply shift, along with preferences.
Especially if change for the sake of change does not interest you at all but you do appreciate OS that is designed, not evolved randomly.
BSD is developed at a far slower pace than Linux, but it follows the same general "evolution" principles where there is a shared source repo, a team of people on a mailing list and someone adds stuff if his peers agree, or makes a hard fork if they don't and he thinks his change is important enough (DragonflyBSD for example). There is just far less people adding new stuff.
Which again may be a good thing if you like stability, but is NOT the same as "design".
For the userspace this may or may not apply as applications and DEs are shared with Linux (and sometimes Windows), and I don't know how fast/well stuff is ported. (yes I never used FBSD with a GUI, only headless systems)
I am 36. Do I qualify as "old raunchy guy"?
In this case, it's a kind of person that crystallized on something when he was "young" and then does not accept even the slightest variation from it.
You might qualify, or you just might just be using Linux wrong and got burned by that (which is another thing entirely), or you might just be trolling. Can't say from here.
I simply like BSD's because I do not have to fucking relearn things in every 6 months and my computers at home stay online a lot longer using BSD's compared to any hobbyst Linux testbed.
There is nothing to relearn on most consumer-oriented distros, especially in LTS releases that are frozen for 5 years.
Most changes are under the hood, irrelevant for the end user, as long as you choose a simple and stable DE (anything that is not GNOME 3 or Cinnamon, and KDE basically) you should be fine for decades.
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Originally posted by InsideJob View PostGPL says derivative works need to be open, BSD allows proprietary derivatives. I'm not sure that makes it more "permissive" though. I still remember the "advertising clause" fiasco:
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/bsd.en.html
Adding some text with small font somewhere semi-hidden is not exactly an issue. They already do so for the various crap mandated by law. And even if they don't... there is very little risk of getting sued anyway over something so trivial (also because most BSD projects don't have budget nor organizations ready to get into legal battles, unlike GPL projects and Linux).
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Originally posted by starshipeleven View PostThat's more reasonable than what you posted before, but still think you are pushing this harder than it is in reality.
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