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Originally posted by jo-erlend View Post
You keep repeating this lie that Unity doesn't work on Arch. Many distros choose to not support Unity, but that's their choice.
Distros are lazy, leaving all maintenance to the upstream, causing a single hierarchy of power which gets used to enforce certain political agendas. That is the fundamental issue with the distro model. Disagreement is not tolerated and if you fork, then you've been corrupted by the Evil NIH Inc. For some reason, though, it doesn't apply to everyone. Linux Mint has forked Gnome and chosen not to support Wayland, but nobody has any issues with that.
Sooner or later someone has to explain to me why a group of people should not be allowed to customize free software to fit their own purposes. I don't understand why that's evil.
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Originally posted by dimko View Post
What you guys are smoking?
Just because a lot of people use Ubuntu, doesn't make their choice. Many of them are not happy. Many of them use Ubuntu because Ubuntu build up nice name BEFORE Unity.
A lot of people will hapilly not use Unity when Ubuntu will be using Gnome.
As for happily using GNOME afterwards, I guess we will see. Any significant departure from the "Unity look-and-feel" would be disconcerting for newer users especially if they have just become adjusted to it.
Originally posted by dimko View Post
Kubuntu and Gubuntu Xubuntu and what else - are not Ubuntu and they are used SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T WANT UNITY.
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Originally posted by Cerberus View Post
Because every cult mentality needs enemies and Ubuntu being the largest distribution out there is the best candidate for being the archenemy of the open source, before Ubuntu that place belonged to Microsoft, now new kids on the block consider Ubuntu to be evil, but in the end those who claim their plans were evil are basically a vocal minority on the Internet who want to appear bigger than they really are, 90% of Linux users dont give a crap about Wayland vs Mir and similar discussions, they just want their operating system to work as intended. Now that Canonical completely dropped Unity 8 and probably Mir too they will need to make up other reasons to hate them. If nothing all this successfully demonstrated that parts of Linux community are as toxic as any other community, perhaps even worse.
Wayland vs Mir is a huge issue and is not some missing icons on desktop issue like you would like to present here. I don't know what to think about Canonical to tell the truth. Since they announced Mir I don't have very good opinion about them, I can tell you that.
Edit: To clarify further, in my opinion Mir did not help at all, and if anything it set Linux Desktop further back because of fragmentation. Moreover, I think snappy is cherry on top. Who sane would now consider to package anything for Linux.Last edited by srakitnican; 06 April 2017, 06:32 PM.
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Originally posted by jo-erlend View Post
Unity is fantastic for people who primarily use the keyboard and has lots of open windows. If you disregard those users, the office ninjas, then I would agree with you. But I am an office ninja and that's why I don't agree that Unity is just another "program launcher".
I'm completely open to the possibility that Canonical can use Gnome Shell as a base to create a similarly attractive desktop, but I'm definitely not going to replace Unity 7 with something inferior. And to be honest, I'm rather happy considering Unity 7 as a completed desktop if the end comes in 2021. I don't care much about phones and tablets, so to me, Unity 8 was the promise of a modern Unity 7 with the potential for even more powerful desktop features.
I've been doing desktop wars since Windows vs GEM, probably before I learned how to tie my show laces. I've seen all the desktops, tried them all and Unity is by far my favorite desktop of all time. Because even though Unity is superb for keyboard users like me, it's also quite nice for people who use mouse or touch most of the time.
The keyboard power was one of the things that drew me to GNOME.
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Wait, how does that count as a "fork"? It's merely a change of upstream.
Originally posted by Cerberus View PostI fully hope for at least Unity 7 based Ubuntu flavor, the irony-former default desktop becomes Ubuntu flavor desktop, but I wouldnt mind that and I think many users would love to see such a Ubuntu flavor.
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Originally posted by jo-erlend View Post
Distros are lazy, leaving all maintenance to the upstream, causing a single hierarchy of power which gets used to enforce certain political agendas. That is the fundamental issue with the distro model. Disagreement is not tolerated and if you fork, then you've been corrupted by the Evil NIH Inc. For some reason, though, it doesn't apply to everyone.
It’s quite amusing to see someone spout an obvious misinformed prejudice, and then in the same paragraph, express mystification that their misinformation isn’t actually true...
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Originally posted by jo-erlend View PostYou keep repeating this lie that Unity doesn't work on Arch. Many distros choose to not support Unity, but that's their choice.
Unity _is_ specific to Ubuntu. It's not made to be easily reused on other distributions. It's pretty much tied to applying specific patches to various components. That's the way various things are developed by Canonical. Pretending it's just laziness shows you know shit about the situation.
Feel free disprove me btw, but instead of claims, back it up with references.
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Originally posted by ldo17 View Post
It doesn’t apply to everyone for a very simple reason: distros are not “lazy, leaving all maintenance to the upstream” etc etc.
It’s quite amusing to see someone spout an obvious misinformed prejudice, and then in the same paragraph, express mystification that their misinformation isn’t actually true...
Eleven years ago, according to a survey made by Novell at that time, most requested Windows applications by users, for Linux Desktop to finally arrive were Photoshop, Autocad, Macromedia Studio, Visio, Lotus Notes. Of course in the meantime many things have changed, but the result is still relevant I think
Update on Linux Application Request Survey
https://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/16836.html
Novell Cool Solutions: Feature
By Scott M. MorrisSome new and fascinating data has surfaced from the results of the Novell CoolSolutions survey. This study is designed to find out what Windows-only applications, if ported to Linux, would increase the likelihood that people would switch to Linux. The obvious question, now that we have over 10,000 submissions, is "Which is the most-requested application?" This information will be gladly shared and discussed, along with some other fascinating revelations.
Posted: 2 Feb 2006
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