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  • #31
    Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
    Last time I checked, GNOME supports Mir. Most people don't care about blobs. Of the ones who do, most of them only bitch out of principle (in other words, "it's bad because it isn't open-source", regardless of how well it cooperates with the rest of the system). The only people who have a right to actually complain about blobs are the ones whose work is hindered because of it. For example, the KDE devs.
    GTK, QT and SDL all support Mir, proprietary drivers will too. And you are right about people not caring about blobs, they might think it is not good that they are not open source but they will use them nevertheless in order to make their computer function well on Linux, not to mention they use multimedia codecs, Skype, Viber and the like software, Linux desktop is full of proprietary software, only the most hardcore purists will refuse to use any proprietary software and they are a minority, 90% of users dont really care that much and will use proprietary software where they need it.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Temar View Post

      I agree with your assessment. It's not just games but also most of the GPU computing software is optimised for Nvidia (CUDA). Even open source software like e.g. Blender runs much better on Nvidia. It will take years until AMD cards will be a real alternative for people who need serious GPU performance. AMD gamers might be able to switch to Wayland soon, but game studios won't drop X support as long as a large part of their customer base still depends on X. Neither will KDE or Gnome for the same reason.

      Until everyone is ready to make the switch to Wayland, Wayland will be stable software. :-)
      Well with Xwayland 1.19(assuming the warp pointer patches have enough time to land) and a recent enough SDL2/libinput games will run fine on a wayland session if X studio just wanna support X for a while and for whatever is worth blender + cpu cycles works on Xwayland (and should be very easy if its not already working) to add CUDA support. btw VDPAU work with Xwayland (mpv -vo opengl:backend=x11 --hwdec=vdpau -vf=vdpaupp) and as far as i know OpenCL works on Xwayland too.(at least luxmarks run just fine)

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      • #33
        Originally posted by SaucyJack View Post

        Gnome is really a bad example, they're rolling around in so much money that they can support whatever they want to and not break a sweat.
        One fun fact-as of recently Canonical is a KDE sponsor.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by dh04000 View Post
          Did gnome compositor accept the egl stream?
          No.
          Did anyone else?
          No.

          You can safely ignore butthurt NVIDIA fanboys that try to claim that this is going to be bad for KDE or something. and waah waah waah a lot.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
            Last time I checked, GNOME supports Mir.
            No DE apart from Unity runs on Mir.

            Of the ones who do, most of them only bitch out of principle
            Which is the whole point of Linux's existence. If people truly didn't give a fuck about blobs we would be on windows, where stuff Always Works Fine TM

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            • #36
              Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
              Which is the whole point of Linux's existence. If people truly didn't give a fuck about blobs we would be on windows, where stuff Always Works Fine TM
              No... the point of Linux's existence is freedom. Freedom to modify, freedom to redistribute, and freedom of choice. A company like Nvidia creating closed-source drivers does not detract from your freedoms of Linux as an OS, just as running a closed-source game on Steam doesn't.

              I am willing to bet you anything that there are millions of Linux users who honestly don't care at all about using blobs or closed-source software in general. This isn't a matter of whether people like the blobs they're using, but whether or not using closed-source drivers is something they're ok with. Commercial and industrial Linux-based servers alone are enough to prove my point. I am well aware there are people so anal about open-source software that they'll even buy a 10-year-old computer with open-source firmware, but they're a minority.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Cerberus View Post
                GTK, QT and SDL all support Mir, proprietary drivers will too.
                No wait, are you perhaps saying Mir is using EGLstreams? Because saying that NVIDIA (who isn't going to move a finger to support a damn about the most known future display server protocol) will go out of their own way to run Mir (a very very very very niche display server protocol) sounds unrealistic.

                And you are right about people not caring about blobs, they might think it is not good that they are not open source but they will use them nevertheless in order to make their computer function well on Ubuntu, not to mention they use multimedia codecs, Skype, Viber and the like software, Ubuntu desktop is full of proprietary software, only the most hardcore purists will refuse to use any proprietary software and they are a minority, 90% of users dont really care that much and will use proprietary software where they need it.
                fixed.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
                  No... the point of Linux's existence is freedom. Freedom to modify, freedom to redistribute, and freedom of choice.
                  Total and utter bullcrap, you are talking of BSDs that have permissive licenses.
                  Linux's whole point is stated by its license, GPL v2, STRONG copyleft license. You are NOT supposed to run closed drivers on it, and any modification you ship to people MUST be redistributed also in source form, which is NOT freedom, it is enforcement of Torvald's will on you.

                  Freedom of choice was NEVER said nor implied anywhere, and it's usually bullcrap coming from Ubuntu propaganda.

                  A company like Nvidia creating closed-source drivers does not detract from your freedoms of Linux as an OS, just as running a closed-source game on Steam doesn't.
                  Wrong, closed-source drivers don't contribute to the wellness of the whole.
                  Open drivers keep most of the leg work in Mesa/Gallium that is shared, and all benefit from that.
                  That's the point of opensource, sharing the load so all benefit.

                  I am willing to bet you anything that there are millions of Linux users who honestly don't care at all about using blobs or closed-source software in general.
                  Most Ubuntu users, yes Mostly people that didn't get the point of Linux and bought this bullcrap about "freedom" or somesuch.

                  Commercial and industrial Linux-based servers alone are enough to prove my point.
                  No, because the company that buys the service from Red Hat or SUSE isn't giving a fuck about opensource on average, they only care about features/stability/compatibility.
                  They would have bought Windows or Solaris or whatever the crap else if it fit their usecase.

                  I am well aware there are people so anal about open-source software that they'll even buy a 10-year-old computer with open-source firmware, but they're a minority.
                  And they still fail, as the hardware is still closed source.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
                    No DE apart from Unity runs on Mir.

                    Which is the whole point of Linux's existence. If people truly didn't give a fuck about blobs we would be on windows, where stuff Always Works Fine TM
                    You would be surprised, or maybe not, how many people use Linux not because their prime motivator is open source ideology, but because Linux is free, doesnt have viruses like Windows and 99.9% of applications are also free, sure most of them develop a certain respect for the open source ideology, but a portion of Linux users are consumers deep down, what does a Linux user do when he starts making big bucks? He buys a Mac and enjoys sipping his cocktail in the Apple's walled garden. A bit of sarcasm there, but you get my point.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by jrch2k8 View Post

                      Well with Xwayland 1.19(assuming the warp pointer patches have enough time to land) and a recent enough SDL2/libinput games will run fine on a wayland session if X studio just wanna support X for a while and for whatever is worth blender + cpu cycles works on Xwayland (and should be very easy if its not already working) to add CUDA support. btw VDPAU work with Xwayland (mpv -vo opengl:backend=x11 --hwdec=vdpau -vf=vdpaupp) and as far as i know OpenCL works on Xwayland too.(at least luxmarks run just fine)
                      No one said it would not work, but what would be the point of switching to Wayland when using an Nvidia card? You would just have an inferior system.

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