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Originally posted by Temar View Post
I agree with your assessment. It's not just games but also most of the GPU computing software is optimised for Nvidia (CUDA). Even open source software like e.g. Blender runs much better on Nvidia. It will take years until AMD cards will be a real alternative for people who need serious GPU performance. AMD gamers might be able to switch to Wayland soon, but game studios won't drop X support as long as a large part of their customer base still depends on X. Neither will KDE or Gnome for the same reason.
Until everyone is ready to make the switch to Wayland, Wayland will be stable software. :-)
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Originally posted by schmidtbag View PostLast time I checked, GNOME supports Mir.
Of the ones who do, most of them only bitch out of principle
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Originally posted by starshipeleven View PostWhich is the whole point of Linux's existence. If people truly didn't give a fuck about blobs we would be on windows, where stuff Always Works Fine TM
I am willing to bet you anything that there are millions of Linux users who honestly don't care at all about using blobs or closed-source software in general. This isn't a matter of whether people like the blobs they're using, but whether or not using closed-source drivers is something they're ok with. Commercial and industrial Linux-based servers alone are enough to prove my point. I am well aware there are people so anal about open-source software that they'll even buy a 10-year-old computer with open-source firmware, but they're a minority.
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Originally posted by Cerberus View PostGTK, QT and SDL all support Mir, proprietary drivers will too.
And you are right about people not caring about blobs, they might think it is not good that they are not open source but they will use them nevertheless in order to make their computer function well on Ubuntu, not to mention they use multimedia codecs, Skype, Viber and the like software, Ubuntu desktop is full of proprietary software, only the most hardcore purists will refuse to use any proprietary software and they are a minority, 90% of users dont really care that much and will use proprietary software where they need it.
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Originally posted by schmidtbag View PostNo... the point of Linux's existence is freedom. Freedom to modify, freedom to redistribute, and freedom of choice.
Linux's whole point is stated by its license, GPL v2, STRONG copyleft license. You are NOT supposed to run closed drivers on it, and any modification you ship to people MUST be redistributed also in source form, which is NOT freedom, it is enforcement of Torvald's will on you.
Freedom of choice was NEVER said nor implied anywhere, and it's usually bullcrap coming from Ubuntu propaganda.
A company like Nvidia creating closed-source drivers does not detract from your freedoms of Linux as an OS, just as running a closed-source game on Steam doesn't.
Open drivers keep most of the leg work in Mesa/Gallium that is shared, and all benefit from that.
That's the point of opensource, sharing the load so all benefit.
I am willing to bet you anything that there are millions of Linux users who honestly don't care at all about using blobs or closed-source software in general.
Commercial and industrial Linux-based servers alone are enough to prove my point.
They would have bought Windows or Solaris or whatever the crap else if it fit their usecase.
I am well aware there are people so anal about open-source software that they'll even buy a 10-year-old computer with open-source firmware, but they're a minority.
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Originally posted by starshipeleven View PostNo DE apart from Unity runs on Mir.
Which is the whole point of Linux's existence. If people truly didn't give a fuck about blobs we would be on windows, where stuff Always Works Fine TM
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Originally posted by jrch2k8 View Post
Well with Xwayland 1.19(assuming the warp pointer patches have enough time to land) and a recent enough SDL2/libinput games will run fine on a wayland session if X studio just wanna support X for a while and for whatever is worth blender + cpu cycles works on Xwayland (and should be very easy if its not already working) to add CUDA support. btw VDPAU work with Xwayland (mpv -vo opengl:backend=x11 --hwdec=vdpau -vf=vdpaupp) and as far as i know OpenCL works on Xwayland too.(at least luxmarks run just fine)
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