KDE Releases First Plasma Wayland Live Image

[Azrael5]

doesn't work on my hardware, video appears to be striped.

[Azrael5]

This is a study phase after which the implementation of wayland will be reliable. Wayland currently is the best graphical compositor for Linux operating systems well integrated by PLASMA project, that confers the power to be the real alternative to microsoft systems. It is reliable efficient and improves the hardware acceleration on desktop environment, hence is is also useful also for legacy hardware systems. If Kubuntu is able to reduce the number of tasks to almost Lubuntu level, it will be perfect (IMO).

[sunweb]

Its good to know they work on it.
On a laptop with haswell cpu and HD 4400 graphics it renders ok but touchpad doesn't work for clicks, had to use buttons. Had a few crashes after which KDE restored momentary.
On desktop with amd HD5770 i have a rainbow.

[Danny3]

I tested it
Laptop with dedicated nvidia GPU - lots of crashes/errors
Desktop with dedicated nvidia GPU - 1 -2 crashes and then it froze, i had to do a hard reset
Desktop with integrated Intel GPU -few crashes

Conclusion: Definitely more work to do for KDE on Wayland and fuck you Nvidia

[tuke81]

interesting, they use kubuntu for the wayland preview.

Ehh, well you do know who Jonathan Riddell is don't you:

http://www.kubuntu.org/news/jonathan-riddell-stands-down-as-release-manager-of-kubuntu/

[valeriodean]

Well, maybe because Alt+Shift+F12 is the correct shortcut

ROFL

I will try that iso asap. I'm very curious!

[k1l_]

interesting, they use kubuntu for the wayland preview.

[hubick]

The best UI for the user can only be achieved with CSD. UIs evolve and today we want to exploit every available pixel.

I have a 40" 4K/UHD screen now. You can keep your extra pixels.

I want a consistent and easy to use interface for getting work done, not some candy apple translucent animated toy OS.

Gnome 3 apps using CDS are gorgeous.

I used to be a Gnome user. Until they forced that failed "I wanna play UI designer" version 3 interface on me, with it's disorganized jumble of app icons and requiring three times as many clicks to get anything done. Now I'm a happy KDE user, and I hope it stays as far away from that type of Gnome thinking as possible.

SSD FTW.

[wagaf]

There's no point in adding options that can only make things worse. Server-side decorations are superior to CSD in every way when displaying the "default" frames with no special controls. If an application actually uses CSD to a meaningful degree then it will request CSD.

CSDs just introduce technical problems, and are only good for applications wishing to customise their entire window. If they aren't doing that letting an application manage its frame means any hangs or glitches will impact the frame when they don't need to. Why trust many potentially unreliable applications when you can trust one reliable core system and grant exceptions only as necessary?

Stuff is done for the user, not for developer convenience.

The best UI for the user can only be achieved with CSD. UIs evolve and today we want to exploit every available pixel.
Gnome 3 apps using CDS are gorgeous.
Windows and OS X now also allow CSD. Look at the superb Facetime app on recent OS X.

So the technicals have to be adapted to reach what needs to be reached and not the other way around.

[Scias]

Client side decorations are awesome. We have different file dialogs for every toolkit. Now wayland will enable us having different window decorations for every toolkit. Is it not great? Who needs consistency when we have... no clue what! I truly believe 2016 will be year of linux desktop.

/sobs

First, Wayland doesn't force CSD (KWin on wayland uses SSD), and then, applications can already have CSDs in X11 (see chromium/GNOME/steam...). So Wayland isn't going to change anything in this regard.

Anyways both solutions have drawbacks, so I don't think one should be forced over the other one.
CSDs mean no consistency between windows titlebars and potential issues should the application hang; SSDs mean no consistency between the application and its own window decoration (unless you use a properly themed $toolkit app in a $toolkit_user environment), lost vertical space, features that could be moved to the titlebar not available, and useless extra windowmanager/compositor work.

So unless we get back to the 90's Xorg days with motif and server-side rendered everything, there will no be perfect consistency anymore SSDs or not.

Oh and hello Znurre