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  • #11
    I thought the new paradigm was to dump everything in the same git and let it handle everything?

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    • #12
      Originally posted by TheSoulz View Post
      Who cares about weston?
      Does anyone really use weston as a compositor?

      Weston porpuse is for wayland to test its protocol.
      Its a shame everyone is slow to move to wayland, the protocol is ready but there is no real compositor for it.
      Gnome/mutter 3.16 is getting there but it still needs alot of work, i expect another year before we have a decent compositor/enviroment.
      Plan is Fedora will switch Wayland on by default for Gnome after F22 branch in Rawhide. This will happen really soon. F23 ie the release next fall will likely have Wayland as default

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      • #13
        Originally posted by TheSoulz View Post
        Who cares about weston?
        Does anyone really use weston as a compositor?

        Weston porpuse is for wayland to test its protocol.
        Its a shame everyone is slow to move to wayland, the protocol is ready but there is no real compositor for it.
        Gnome/mutter 3.16 is getting there but it still needs alot of work, i expect another year before we have a decent compositor/enviroment.
        http://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2015/...g-the-endgame/

        Fedora 22 is expected to ship with GNOME using Wayland by default for the login screen and Fedora 23 is expected to use it for the rest. You are missing something important here in your description. Wayland is just one aspect of replacing Xorg. libinput had to be developed from scratch to handle input because Wayland doesn't handle that. Desktop specific protocol extensions had to be developed. There is still a need to do cross desktop screen recording etc because Wayland doesn't allow you to do that by default for security and so on. Wayland is only a small part of what is needed to completely replace Xorg and Xorg is still needed for XWayland since not everything can be moved over at the same time. So things like libinput had to be retrofitted into Xorg as well. This is why it is taking time. Not because of the lack of compositors.
        Last edited by RahulSundaram; 14 February 2015, 07:00 PM.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by RahulSundaram View Post
          http://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2015/...g-the-endgame/

          Fedora 22 is expected to ship with GNOME using Wayland by default for the login screen and Fedora 23 is expected to use it for the rest. You are missing something important here in your description. Wayland is just one aspect of replacing Xorg. libinput had to be developed from scratch to handle input because Wayland doesn't handle that. Desktop specific protocol extensions had to be developed. There is still a need to do cross desktop screen recording etc because Wayland doesn't allow you to do that by default for security and so on. Wayland is only a small part of what is needed to completely replace Xorg and Xorg is still needed for XWayland since not everything can be moved over at the same time. So things like libinput had to be retrofitted into Xorg as well. This is why it is taking time. Not because of the lack of compositors.
          Last time i checked libinput was done, is it not?
          xorg work for nesting should be done too.
          No clue if window locating for tooltips and stuff like that wayland prevented due to security was fixed, i think it is fixed on MIR tho.

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          • #15
            Ok, let's put it plain and simple:

            What are the choices in the world of Linux distroes' display servers?

            1) X. Old, bloated. It just works. Everybody say it should be replaced by a newer, more modern thing, but the developement looks focused more on making the yesterday's server work on today's machiney rather than make the newer replacement.
            2) Mir. Made by Canonical, designed for Unity, will be used in Ubuntu (when?), and at the moment no one plans to use it too. Looks like the non-Unity Ubuntu flavours won't use it. Alright.
            3) Wayland. The X heir... wannabe. Been In developement for... how many years? Seven! In seven years only two ultra-minor distros deployed it: RebeccaBlackOs and Maui. And of course the next release of Fedora. Which one? I've told you... the next!

            This is the present. For the future I foresee these scenarios:
            1) Ubuntu will deploy Mir. Will be the only one to use it, for a few. Application coders will move their effort away from Wayland to Mir. This will force other distros to switch to Mir. Wayland will be thrown to dogs.
            2) Ubuntu will deploy Mir. Other distros will stick to X and mean to switch to Wayland when it will be ready. Application coders will mostly stick to X and put some efforts to compatibilize their apps with Mir/Wayland. But it will be clear that X is the best performing choice. Ubuntu will turn back to X. X will remain the only display server for many years to come, bloater and bloater.
            3) A major distro, probably a developer-oriented one (Arch? Debian?) will deploy Wayland. Ubuntu will deploy Mir. Others will stick to X. Application coders will be in the middle of the crossfire in a display server war. If they will choose to stay out and wait, the only possible winner is the traditional one: X. If they will take position, it will be a real mess with some apps best with W, some with X, others with M... or the code lines will triplicate.

            In the meanwhile, Microsoft will run full speed in the windows way...

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            • #16
              And the peanut gallery is back...

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              • #17
                Originally posted by Ancurio View Post
                And the peanut gallery is back...
                Well... It was an article about Mir after all. Of course they'd be here. The honour of canonical needs to be defended after all.

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by Pickup View Post
                  *snip*
                  You ever heard of these things called frameworks or toolkits? Further everyone but Canonical is set on moving to wayland, so all the Open Source Software that people care about will work on Wayland, and a good swath already does, and what's left is proprietary software (primarily games) which only cares about what Valve plans on doing. Further since Mir is an API as opposed to a protocol and is licensed under GPL v3 proprietary applications really shouldn't be calling into Mir anyway otherwise they risk the possibility of becoming a derivative work.

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