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  • phoronix
    started a topic Mir 0.4 Released, Mir 0.5 Under Development

    Mir 0.4 Released, Mir 0.5 Under Development

    Phoronix: Mir 0.4 Released, Mir 0.5 Under Development

    Canonical's Mir display server for Ubuntu Linux has cleared Mir 0.4.0 for Ubuntu 14.10 "Utopic" while Mir 0.5 is immediately under development...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTczNjg

  • profoundWHALE
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    Originally posted by Luke_Wolf View Post
    Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
    No. By 2016 every mainstream non-Ubuntu distro will be using Wayland. Fedora 21 takes the lead in a few months. In two years chances are even RHEL 8 with Wayland will be out.
    Plasma 5, LXQt, Mate, and likely even Xfce will have Wayland support no later than 2015.
    This ^

    The whole "Everyone will just continue targeting xserver because of mir" has always been stupid. Unless you're in a very very special class of application (e.g. Compositors, Window Managers, and GUI toolkits) you aren't and shouldn't be targeting the display server, you're going to be targeting a toolkit or framework such as Qt, GTK, EFL, SDL, etc. And guess what? at this point all of the major toolkits support Wayland at runtime. So that just leaves the desktops, and guess what? GNOME has been ported, Plamsa 5 and LXQT are waiting on Kwin to finish it's port but should be ready well before 2015 is over, Mate is in the process of porting to GTK3. The only thing that could possibly hold Wayland up is Nvidia support, but between Red Hat and Intel it's going to happen one way or the other.
    Just where did you get that "Everyone will be targeting xserver because of mir"? Because I never said it, and Awesomeness never said it.

    Now that said I'm not convinced the more conservative distros (such as debian proper) will have changed by 2016 because they'll want to see how fedora and such are doing with it for more than a year to see if everything is working in a stable manner, and you'll have the anti-change people squawking as they try to hide in slackware and such.
    Originally posted by jan1024188 View Post
    2016 for early kinda-usable versions. A rock-solid, fully driver supported mature solution isn't coming this decade.
    So I guess we are in agreement?

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  • Luke_Wolf
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    Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
    No. By 2016 every mainstream non-Ubuntu distro will be using Wayland. Fedora 21 takes the lead in a few months. In two years chances are even RHEL 8 with Wayland will be out.
    Plasma 5, LXQt, Mate, and likely even Xfce will have Wayland support no later than 2015.
    This ^

    The whole "Everyone will just continue targeting xserver because of mir" has always been stupid. Unless you're in a very very special class of application (e.g. Compositors, Window Managers, and GUI toolkits) you aren't and shouldn't be targeting the display server, you're going to be targeting a toolkit or framework such as Qt, GTK, EFL, SDL, etc. And guess what? at this point all of the major toolkits support Wayland at runtime. So that just leaves the desktops, and guess what? GNOME has been ported, Plamsa 5 and LXQT are waiting on Kwin to finish it's port but should be ready well before 2015 is over, Mate is in the process of porting to GTK3. The only thing that could possibly hold Wayland up is Nvidia support, but between Red Hat and Intel it's going to happen one way or the other.

    Now that said I'm not convinced the more conservative distros (such as debian proper) will have changed by 2016 because they'll want to see how fedora and such are doing with it for more than a year to see if everything is working in a stable manner, and you'll have the anti-change people squawking as they try to hide in slackware and such.

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  • Awesomeness
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    Originally posted by profoundWHALE View Post
    By 2016 not much will have changed because xserver or some compatibility with it will still be maintained.
    No. By 2016 every mainstream non-Ubuntu distro will be using Wayland. Fedora 21 takes the lead in a few months. In two years chances are even RHEL 8 with Wayland will be out.
    Plasma 5, LXQt, Mate, and likely even Xfce will have Wayland support no later than 2015.

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  • profoundWHALE
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    Originally posted by grndzro View Post
    Wayland will be everywhere by 2016. I sure as hell will switch at the latest stable opportunity that has closed driver support.
    By 2016 not much will have changed because xserver or some compatibility with it will still be maintained. Mir will have been integrated into Ubuntu and Debian would be questioning Wayland as being default in their next unstable build thing, causing Canonical to implement Wayland (most likely in some sort of broken state) or at least being compatible with it.

    Ubuntu phones might have taken off by then. Google and Facebook would have conjured up something then as well so I'm not sure as to how well they'd be doing.

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  • grndzro
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    Wayland will be everywhere by 2016. I sure as hell will switch at the latest stable opportunity that has closed driver support.

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  • jan1024188
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    Originally posted by xeekei View Post
    2016? Damn.
    2016 for early kinda-usable versions. A rock-solid, fully driver supported mature solution isn't coming this decade.

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  • Awesomeness
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    Originally posted by Krysto View Post
    What are the differences as of now between Wayland and Mir?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_%28software%29

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  • xeekei
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    2016? Damn.

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  • profoundWHALE
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    Originally posted by Krysto View Post
    What are the differences as of now between Wayland and Mir? Which is more ahead/higher performance?
    I would say too early to tell. Mir is different in the way that it has it's own compositor integrated while Wayland is protocol and Weston is the reference compositor. We have to see what different people do with each.

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