The First Wayland Benchmarks From Fedora 20 Show Great Promise

[mrugiero]

Depends on how much overhead you mean. Displays can only display SO much so if the overhead means the display can push at max 295fps, instead of 300fps, I don't see a problem there. Especially since most displays will cap at 60fps, and gaming displays cap around 120fps. I get your point about overhead, and we should look to find ways to minimize said overhead, but enough abstraction as necessary to provide multiple backends is likely a good idea

Yes, it is now, that there are reasons to expect multiple backends. But there really wasn't any, back when xfwm4 (or almost any of the other X window managers) was written.

[rangnar]

Core i7-4750HQ has 4 Cores

Just for the record: The Intel Core i7-4750HQ has 4 cores and is capable to run 8 threads. But you can, of course, force Intel to correct the ARK entry to 8 cores.

http://ark.intel.com/products/76087/

[MartinN]

How nice! A fellow LAS fan.

On-topic:
I almost get goosebumps when I think about how close we are to a X-less desktop. Unfortunately I'll probably have to leave Xfce for GNOME. Let's hope Classic works.

X11 dependencies are in 69 out of 601 *.c files in the XFCE 4.1 sources (the top tarball expanded, then the sub-tarballs expanded from that one). I did not grep the *.h files. The rest of it is very much GTK-centric....

So while it looks 'bad', it's a manageable effort to port one of the sweeter-looking DEs completely over to GTK, if they really chose to do it....100% XFCE on Wayland/GTK... definitely has a nice ring to it.

This also re-iterates the importance of getting XWayland stable/merged, hopefully into X 1.15. Ignoring XWayland will only hinder Wayland/Weston/et al adoption.

[uid313]

Didn't the Wayland devs claim XWayland would be faster than native X.Org by passing complex things?
It is slower!

I hope further Wayland and XWayland tweaks makes it faster.

Would also be nice to see a comparison against XMir.

[Ren H?ek]

Didn't the Wayland devs claim XWayland would be faster than native X.Org by passing complex things?
It is slower!

This testing is similar in nature to our original Ubuntu XMir testing of comparing Ubuntu Linux with a Mir/XMir instance running versus an X.Org Server without anything else. The current XMir performance has improved thanks in large part to the composite bypass support, but already the test results in this article show the XWayland performance with common Linux-native OpenGL workloads being quite good.

The reason is mentioned in the article, you are commenting on...

[bkor]

Didn't the Wayland devs claim XWayland would be faster than native X.Org by passing complex things?
It is slower!

I hope further Wayland and XWayland tweaks makes it faster.

Would also be nice to see a comparison against XMir.

Canonical is running everything under XMir, for little benefit. So XMir performance is really important, as everything slows down. For Fedora/GNOME the intention is to make everything run under Wayland, so priority is on that. XWayland should still be quick, but I rather have the focus on making sure things run directly under Wayland without anything inbetween. There is a big list of things that needs addressing. Most importantly it should not crash that easily! Then functionality (drag and drop, etc), then performance of XWayland.

[Kostas]

Looking good for Wayland. I know someone who's going to wear a monkey suit...

I haven't watched them in a while but it's incredible just how ignorant he was about the whole mess. Wonder if he'll eat humble-pie or dance around the issue in a manner that would make a certain resident troll blush.

In 18 months 90% of the community will be dumping Xorg and using Wayland/Weston.

The timescale should be about right for the competent and established distros but I'm afraid that it won't be enough for Canonical/Mint/lots of minor DEs to get their heads out of their... and start porting stuff.

[dee.]

I haven't watched them in a while but it's incredible just how ignorant he was about the whole mess. Wonder if he'll eat humble-pie or dance around the issue in a manner that would make a certain resident troll blush.

I don't really watch the show religiously, but I do check out episodes that look like they have interesting stuff in them. And it does seem like both have changed their tune quite a bit since that episode. Guess they caught a bit of flak from the viewers, and recently they don't seem to be so Ubuntu-centric anymore as they used to be.

[Ericg]

Didn't the Wayland devs claim XWayland would be faster than native X.Org by passing complex things?
It is slower!

I hope further Wayland and XWayland tweaks makes it faster.

Would also be nice to see a comparison against XMir.

As I pointed out about uid, it theoretically CAN be faster, yes. In practice vs in theory though are very different and ontop of that this is still a work in progress-- wiait until everyone's had a while to play around with the code bases and can optimize things.

[felipe]

promise? I prefer facts and reality.

I prefer use X11. is more faster XD