The next couple of months should be very interesting Wayland-wise. I'm hoping for Wayland-compatible NVIDIA drivers and/or a major browser getting stable GTK3 support.
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Originally posted by danielnez1 View PostMay years ago, I upgraded Ubuntu on my Mum's netbook and the whole thing was completely hosed on the first boot after the upgrade. Regardless of the OS, there is always the risk that a OS upgrade can go awry in some way. also, needing to upgrade to new versions frequently can be disruptive especially if software extensions break etc.
There are ways to avoid some breakages, too.
On extensions, then you lose the point of security. If the extension is still supported, they should port it to newer versions of software. If it isn't, then chances are you are already running an unsafe environment.
My case is not paradoxical either, I'm just saying that Red Hat are not "squeaky clean" when it comes to CLAs and unless a free software licence prevents CLAs, anyone is free to introduce their own.
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Originally posted by Ericg View PostHe's trolling, or at minimum flamebaiting, if he blatantly says "This sucks." And nothing else (Read some of his other recent posts theyre all flamebait waiting to catch fire).
Originally posted by Ericg View PostInstaller fragile? Yes, granted. Better than in 18 though, and 20 I heard is supposed to have a few more changes to tweak it a bit. (Personally I wish they would've adopted Ubuntu's ubiquity and just modified it to suit their purposes... Installer is one thing Ubuntu got really right)
Originally posted by Ericg View PostNetwork Manager... Not sure about your issues with static IP and the WPA hotspot (mine work fine, maybe some weird hardware incompatibility?) Firewall..I honestly dont even turn it on so I can't comment. If you were talking about bridging and more Virtual Machine stuff like that, thats all coming in Fedora 20. Upstream NM didn't have support for it before, now they do.
The static IP problem got fixed in a week after release but that was a week I spent looking at a packet analyzer so color me unimpressed...
As for firewall, I think it's on by default but if you taken it off I applaud your bravado. Sadly, I've been subscribing to zero day release mail groups for a few years now so I've grown somewhat cowardly myself seeing all those "zero-day" announcements turn up after 3 month in the wild...
As for the rest of the NetworkManager's stuff (the bridging and the VM), I've been patiently waiting for it to work the-very-next-release since 2004 It alone is the reason why when someone seems to flame-bait\troll Fedora, I can't help sympathize.
Originally posted by Ericg View PostFedora 20 is gonna niiiiiiiiice. KDE 4.11, Kernel 3.11, Gnome 3.10, Wayland, and E17... Just...Yes XD
So yeah, hopefully good and not too exciting times
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Originally posted by danielnez1 View PostIsn?t that a little paradoxical since Red Hat have used CLAs before?
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Originally posted by mrugiero View PostI'm aware of such problems. However, an OS that comes for free is almost mandated to have poorer support in this regard. If you really need an older version to be supported for years, there are lots of paid distributions.
There are ways to avoid some breakages, too.
On extensions, then you lose the point of security. If the extension is still supported, they should port it to newer versions of software. If it isn't, then chances are you are already running an unsafe environment.
There are a number of free distros/services that provide longer support i.e. CentOS, openSUSE Evergreen and even Ubuntu/Mint LTS - I'd say they are far better choices for less technical users than Fedora.
Originally posted by mrugiero View PostI didn't imply yours was paradoxical, I just thought you were referring to all of the Canonical's CLA decliners. I'm against any kind of asymmetrical CLA.
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Originally posted by r1348 View PostFedora's CLA does not allow Red Hat to close up the source code of your contributions, while Ubuntu's CLA explicitly states so, in section 2.3.
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Originally posted by danielnez1 View PostMy point is that at the end of the day, it is still a CLA, just because they are no longer flavour of the month at Red Hat right now, there is nothing stopping them from introducing them again in the future.
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Originally posted by r1348 View PostFedora's CLA does not allow Red Hat to close up the source code of your contributions, while Ubuntu's CLA explicitly states so, in section 2.3.
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Originally posted by c117152 View Postand the firewall...
All aside, as a Redhat/fedora user for 15 years now (!!), it makes me happy to see that Fedora will roll out wayland in a sane manner. Hopefully ATI / Nvidia will work with RedHat to test their drivers on EGL as well.Last edited by xtachx; 10 September 2013, 12:28 AM.
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