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  • #91
    Originally posted by Vim_User View Post
    Funny, since AMD actually pays developers to work on the FOSS drivers all the AMD customers that are buying AMD cards to use them on Windows or with Catalyst on Linux are actually subsidizing FOSS driver development.
    I'd consider it the other way around. I don't use the proprietary driver at all, but AMD still got my money. As a proportion of the market though I'd consider AMDs development costs on the OSS driver more than fair. It was porting Catalyst to linux that was the complete waste of time, money and effort.

    EDIT: Also to inteIIivision, archibaId There really is no need for such blatant trolling. Come on.
    Last edited by duby229; 06-13-2013, 08:56 PM.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by duby229 View Post
      I'd consider it the other way around. I don't use the proprietary driver at all, but AMD still got my money.
      Of course they got your money, you have actually bought a piece of hardware.

      On the numbers, I doubt that the revenue they make from people that want to use radeon only would be enough to hire only one developer to work on the FOSS drivers, but IIRC AMD has five. But anyways, since my laptop is unusable without Catalyst I don't think that its development was a waste of time.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by Vim_User View Post
        Of course they got your money, you have actually bought a piece of hardware.

        On the numbers, I doubt that the revenue they make from people that want to use radeon only would be enough to hire only one developer to work on the FOSS drivers, but IIRC AMD has five. But anyways, since my laptop is unusable without Catalyst I don't think that its development was a waste of time.
        Even if it is only 1% market share, which I don't believe at all, thats still millions of people..... You can't invent crap that throws that away. AMD gets their money from linux users. It may be a minority but it's still millions of dollars. They can afford to pay an elite team of dozens of specialists if they wanted to.

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        • #94
          Originally posted by Vim_User View Post
          Funny, since AMD actually pays developers to work on the FOSS drivers all the AMD customers that are buying AMD cards to use them on Windows or with Catalyst on Linux are actually subsidizing FOSS driver development.
          This is just bullshit! And its a marketshare problem if you buy ARM hardware you support Linux up to 30 more times than if you buy AMD hardware.

          Because linu do have a market share on ARM hardware up to 98% this means all your money goes into linux develeopment.

          On AMD hardware 98% of the money from your hardware goes into the catalyst(windows closed source driver) and this is only because of the marketshare effect.

          This is a FACT! and you just talk bullshit.

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          • #95
            Phoronix drinking game*:
            If all of the posts on the last page of the thread have very little (or no) relevance to the original topic, take a shot.

            *DISCLAIMER: phoronix.com is not responsible for your alcohol poisoning

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            • #96
              Originally posted by necro-lover View Post
              On AMD hardware 98% of the money from your hardware goes into the catalyst(windows closed source driver) and this is only because of the marketshare effect.

              This is a FACT! and you just talk bullshit.
              Really? A fact? So show us your numbers! If it is a fact you can prove it, can't you? Or are you just pulling that out of your ass?

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              • #97
                Originally posted by Vim_User View Post
                Really? A fact? So show us your numbers! If it is a fact you can prove it, can't you? Or are you just pulling that out of your ass?
                Even bridgman admit this "effect" it in the past.

                Its pure logic and marketshare calculation and marget fragmentation calculation.

                AMD calculate it like this: 100% endconsumer sales =turnover for endconsumers then 98% turnover goes into the windows market(windows catalyst) and 2% goes into the linux market and 1% is pure 2D work this goes into the radeon and 1% is (linux)catalyst. and then the price for the hardware is a "universal" one this means if you buy a card for the radeon you pay the same price this means 99% for catalyst and 1% for radeon.

                sure idiots like you turn it arround an say: no no all the windows users pay a 1% tax to the radeon users... thats true but it dosn't matter because if you buy ARM products you get 100% linux this means if an induvidual want to support linux his best result is if he buy ARM hardware instead of AMD hardware.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by necro-lover View Post
                  sure idiots like you turn it arround an say: no no all the windows users pay a 1% tax to the radeon users... thats true but it dosn't matter because if you buy ARM products you get 100% linux this means if an induvidual want to support linux his best result is if he buy ARM hardware instead of AMD hardware.
                  So you ever heard about Windows RT? Do you think there is no driver development for that?
                  Also, is ad hominem all you can? You were better once, Q.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by duby229 View Post
                    I can't think of a single scenario where guaranteed daily or even hourly kernel panics are "superior in every way". Come on. Lets be realistic here.
                    Funny, cause this is exactly what I get when using the FOSS driver while catalyst works like a charm.
                    Originally posted by duby229 View Post
                    Really when was the last time you looked at AMD bug tracker? It really is worth a good look.
                    Really when was the last time you looked at the freedesktop bug tracker? There are years old bugs that talk about crashes, rendering issues and so on: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist...resolution=---

                    So much to your facts. BTW: From my experience the catalyst team is way faster at fixing major bugs. Yes, I reported problems to both teams but while the FOSS bugs aren't getting fixed since months the catalyst ones have been fixed in the next release.

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                    • Originally posted by TAXI View Post
                      Funny, cause this is exactly what I get when using the FOSS driver while catalyst works like a charm.

                      Really when was the last time you looked at the freedesktop bug tracker? There are years old bugs that talk about crashes, rendering issues and so on: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist...resolution=---

                      So much to your facts. BTW: From my experience the catalyst team is way faster at fixing major bugs. Yes, I reported problems to both teams but while the FOSS bugs aren't getting fixed since months the catalyst ones have been fixed in the next release.
                      If you had read this entire thread then you would know that I couldn't disagree with you more. I think I'm at max level already.

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